Admin: MrAlphonzo
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: Sybil 2018-07-23 ~03:55:00
ROUND ID HERE: 91419
At approximately 03:55:00 server time I was murdered in round by a non-antagonist curator, Mateo Leech in the logs, for dragging the HOP locker, which was in the hallway when I found it, down the hallway. I was chased into maint, murdered, stripped, and had my ID stolen.
I immediately did an ahelp because this looked like taking validhunting to the point of breaking the server rules. Roaming the engineering hallway as the curator looking for excuses to kill people is suspicious. The curator was ultimately not an antagonist and did indeed murder-strip me in maint from what Alphonzo would describe in an ahelp as a "misunderstanding". The ahelp chain went as follows:
I don't believe that MrAlphonzo's rationale for the murder being valid "Admin PM from-MrAlphonzo: Vigilante justice." was an appropriate conclusion because it hinges on his explanation "it was vigilante justice based on a misunderstanding. They initiated and brought you to cloning", when I was only brought to cloning after I made the ahelp and Alphonzo talked to the player playing as Mateo Leech. If Alphonzo hadn't spoken to the player, I would have remained stripped in maint, dead. Additionally, the player who killed me kept my ID which, given the lack of a HoP, irreversibly hindered my round.PM to-Admins: Mateo Leech decide to murder strip me in maint as the curator, and I think hes validhunting not an antag
Admin PM from-MrAlphonzo: Did you initiate a fight with them
PM to-Admins: no, he did with me, over me dragging the HOP locker which was in the halls to begin with. he murdered me because hes trying to validhunt as the curator. I told him to leave me alone easy way or the hard way and then he decided to chase me into maint and murder me
Admin PM from-MrAlphonzo: Vigilante justice.
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Admin PM from-MrAlphonzo: Ah, I forgot to mention, it was vigilante justice based on a misunderstanding. They initiated and brought you to cloning, so it's all good.
By giving players an ex post facto pass for unprovoked murder so long as they bring the body to cloning after being bwoinked, this kind of judgement encourages and enables breaking of the server rules in ways that hurt the community. Taking players out of rounds or irreversibly hindering them as a non-antagonist is a decision that is only available to the captain or acting-captain head of staff with at least some reasoning. A security officer or HOP doing the same thing as this curator would likely face a job ban because it breaks rule #1 Don't be a dick. [We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules."]
The case followed the classic server precedents for a ban while meeting none of the criteria for the nonantag, non-sec role player taking security into their own hands using lethal methods. It was a shitty situation, it happens, but the way that it was handled encourages it to happen again in the future and that means other people being unjustifiably taken out of the round or irreversibly hindered.Rule 1 Precedents.
1. Random murders are not acceptable nor is the killing of other players for poor or little reasoning such as ‘My character is insane’. Each unjustified kill is normally met with one 24 ban.
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4. Unprovoked grief (occasionally known as greytiding), repeated cases of minor unprovoked grief, and unprovoked grief targeted towards specific players or groups (i.e. metagrudging) fall under rule 1. Admins may follow up on grief with allowing the affected parties to ignore normal escalation policy or measures such as warnings or bans.
...[Important in regards to "vigilante justice" conducted a handful of minutes into the round when security exists]6. Players who attempt to break into the captain's office, head of personnel's office, or the bridge at or near roundstart for no legitimate reason put themselves at risk for being legitimately killed by the captain, heads of staff, or security.
7. You may defend your workplace from trespassers who damage or steal property within that space with significantly greater force than elsewhere. If someone is severely disruptive and returns after ejected, this opens them up to "fun" of the creative workplace death variety.
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I want to be specific in that this is only a complaint about judgement and hope that MrAlphonzo can see why I am dissatisfied with the ruling and perhaps be more strict about nonantag murder in the future. This has nothing to do with his conduct or anything, he explained the situation, ruling, and rationale, which was helpful and appropriate. I hope that this is a reasonable and understandable case.