Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

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Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by paprika » #34082

So basically a good way I think to improve the cloning system would be dynamic clone times based on time of death.

To put it simply, the longer your body has been rotting, the longer your clone times. This would nerf murderboners/spree killers because their victims are usually in hallways and cloned faster. It'd also reward medical doctor competence more. Discuss.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Incomptinence » #34084

What role would upgrade parts play, percentage reduction?
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by callanrockslol » #34086

Given that most good genetacists kick people out of the machine fairly early and tossing them into cryo I don't think this would work too well, and it would punish players that get killed early like dying in difficult to reach locations
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by MisterPerson » #34431

I believe you mean the scan should take longer, because once the scan is done the body (and thus time of death) should logically have no bearing on the clone whatsoever.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Raven776 » #34443

Logic!
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by paprika » #34444

MisterPerson wrote:I believe you mean the scan should take longer, because once the scan is done the body (and thus time of death) should logically have no bearing on the clone whatsoever.
This would also be cool
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Lo6a4evskiy » #34450

MisterPerson wrote:I believe you mean the scan should take longer, because once the scan is done the body (and thus time of death) should logically have no bearing on the clone whatsoever.
Why is that? Scanner is scanning your body to make a clone. If your body is damaged, clone will have imperfections and longer "construction" time. Totally makes sense.

Basically, more injuries at the moment of scan -> longer cloning times and more clone damage, more disabilities. I would love to see a system like that.
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Post by callanrockslol » #34464

It's just that people tend to just kick them out of cloning in crit and Cryo them because its quicker, making cloning times pretty irrelevant in many cases
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Lo6a4evskiy » #34466

Which is why clones should be kept it -99 health until they're like 50% ready
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by cedarbridge » #34558

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
MisterPerson wrote:I believe you mean the scan should take longer, because once the scan is done the body (and thus time of death) should logically have no bearing on the clone whatsoever.
Why is that? Scanner is scanning your body to make a clone. If your body is damaged, clone will have imperfections and longer "construction" time. Totally makes sense.

Basically, more injuries at the moment of scan -> longer cloning times and more clone damage, more disabilities. I would love to see a system like that.
The cloner isn't repairing your broken body though. Its using your DNA to make a brand new one. Any damage non-genetic damage to the original would be functionally irrelevant in any case.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Reimoo » #34563

I would imagine pulling a clone out early would be similar to aborting a baby. Don't know why this isn't the case.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by damiac » #34568

It's not using your dna, if it was you'd be like a new born baby, mentally (well sort of).

It's somehow copying your existing old body, brain structure and all, but it is somehow able to distinguish between injury and normal weirdness.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Alex Crimson » #34576

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Which is why clones should be kept it -99 health until they're like 50% ready
This. I dont like speed cloning. Feels like an abuse of game mechanics.

If you guys intend to buff cloning even further, can you atleast make Replica Pods better too? They are pretty much useless right now. They need some niche to fill that makes them useable.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Remie Richards » #34584

damiac wrote:It's not using your dna, if it was you'd be like a new born baby, mentally (well sort of).

It's somehow copying your existing old body, brain structure and all, but it is somehow able to distinguish between injury and normal weirdness.
Lot's of sci fi has clones aging super fast, just imagine it stops when it get's to their correct age. it'd definitely DNA since you can keep a record of your DNA to do it later on, plus genetics(department) is like 100% DNA stuff.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by Incomptinence » #34713

I am going to come out and say this isn't quite needed. RND upgraded super cloners work really fast, empty R&D is evil and I think it is important enough one of the scientists should be obligated to do it at this point. Well that or balance xenobio to be just as useful to people outside science.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by damiac » #34858

Remie Richards wrote:
damiac wrote:It's not using your dna, if it was you'd be like a new born baby, mentally (well sort of).

It's somehow copying your existing old body, brain structure and all, but it is somehow able to distinguish between injury and normal weirdness.
Lot's of sci fi has clones aging super fast, just imagine it stops when it get's to their correct age. it'd definitely DNA since you can keep a record of your DNA to do it later on, plus genetics(department) is like 100% DNA stuff.
But how do the memories get into the clone? Memories aren't in your dna, they're in your brain! Why can't more than 1 clone be made? Why do those damn punk kids keep skateboarding on the sidewalk!?! Where are my pills?!?!? MAAAAAATLOOOOOCK!
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by MisterPerson » #34916

The scan of the brain also scans the memories, which are then grown into the clone.
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Re: Improving cloning (dynamic clone times)

Post by callanrockslol » #35232

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