[Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
- Desucake
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[Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
Byond account and character name: Desucake- Miku Frost
Admin: Danno
Time and Server: 1700 hours 7-16-17 Bagil
Summary:
I late join into a nuke ops round, comms were pretty much down for me most of the time, and the place was in complete shambles. After a bit of running around to get the whole situation down, I see that the place is pretty much beyond fucked, with bombs going off, some left over ops, and an AI dismantling comms to keep the shuttle from coming *Claiming that bandits are on it*. I am able to secure some access and the comms boards before a borg spaces it, and set it up in the warden's office. I called the shuttle to come up to two officers, Dark Efernce and JC Denton. harrassing Jayine Rosensteel and another assistant. They claim it was over stealing items, but they were going pretty far to keep them locked up, even welding them in without clothing and one was even dying in his cell. I understand that stealing is against space law, but the place was already pretty much destroyed, the shuttle was called, and it was pretty useless to put all your efforts to make their lives hell for "space law".
I tell them that we should let them go, since they had been in there for a while, but the second I tried to unweld the doors to let one out, they disarm me. I stun them and cuff one of them to report to the HOS office, and I was glad to know we even had a HOS to report to. I cuffed the warden to the chair and explain to the HOS, Cliff Jerome(Akesson) of the situation. He doesn't even listen to me for one moment, before he stun batons me, cuffs me, strips me over everything, and hits me with both a straight jacket and muzzle. He states that I was the petty theif, for getting in their way and I need to shut the fuck up. I am a bit confused on where this is coming from, as I haven't seen this guy once before. He continues saying "Others might treat you differently, but I won't."
Along with this behaviour, he drags me into the shuttle, taunting, and even trying to execute me with a pistol, before he stops at the last second.
I did adminhelp this situation, Danno picks up and quickly says "Sounds like a IC issue to tbh", but I didn't agree, Cliff's actions seemed a bit more dramatic and premeditated to be an IC type of issue. I explained more of what he was doing, he seems to pick up a bit more of the details over the situation, but doesn't do more than that. I am informed by another admin, Darklord, that he closed the ticket fairly quick. I am not very upset over Danno, but I wish he had looked into the situation a bit longer than he did, I later learned that Akesson has done things like this in the past, such as putting an electropack on someone for no real reason. His behaviour was pretty bad too, tells me OOCLy at the end of the round that I should've just shut the fuck up, I point this out to Danno again and still notihng. I am sorry for a bit of text here, but I just wish Danno had helped a bit more, these issues are the reason why Security gets such a bad name.
Admin: Danno
Time and Server: 1700 hours 7-16-17 Bagil
Summary:
I late join into a nuke ops round, comms were pretty much down for me most of the time, and the place was in complete shambles. After a bit of running around to get the whole situation down, I see that the place is pretty much beyond fucked, with bombs going off, some left over ops, and an AI dismantling comms to keep the shuttle from coming *Claiming that bandits are on it*. I am able to secure some access and the comms boards before a borg spaces it, and set it up in the warden's office. I called the shuttle to come up to two officers, Dark Efernce and JC Denton. harrassing Jayine Rosensteel and another assistant. They claim it was over stealing items, but they were going pretty far to keep them locked up, even welding them in without clothing and one was even dying in his cell. I understand that stealing is against space law, but the place was already pretty much destroyed, the shuttle was called, and it was pretty useless to put all your efforts to make their lives hell for "space law".
I tell them that we should let them go, since they had been in there for a while, but the second I tried to unweld the doors to let one out, they disarm me. I stun them and cuff one of them to report to the HOS office, and I was glad to know we even had a HOS to report to. I cuffed the warden to the chair and explain to the HOS, Cliff Jerome(Akesson) of the situation. He doesn't even listen to me for one moment, before he stun batons me, cuffs me, strips me over everything, and hits me with both a straight jacket and muzzle. He states that I was the petty theif, for getting in their way and I need to shut the fuck up. I am a bit confused on where this is coming from, as I haven't seen this guy once before. He continues saying "Others might treat you differently, but I won't."
Along with this behaviour, he drags me into the shuttle, taunting, and even trying to execute me with a pistol, before he stops at the last second.
I did adminhelp this situation, Danno picks up and quickly says "Sounds like a IC issue to tbh", but I didn't agree, Cliff's actions seemed a bit more dramatic and premeditated to be an IC type of issue. I explained more of what he was doing, he seems to pick up a bit more of the details over the situation, but doesn't do more than that. I am informed by another admin, Darklord, that he closed the ticket fairly quick. I am not very upset over Danno, but I wish he had looked into the situation a bit longer than he did, I later learned that Akesson has done things like this in the past, such as putting an electropack on someone for no real reason. His behaviour was pretty bad too, tells me OOCLy at the end of the round that I should've just shut the fuck up, I point this out to Danno again and still notihng. I am sorry for a bit of text here, but I just wish Danno had helped a bit more, these issues are the reason why Security gets such a bad name.
- danno
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
I logged on and the whole issue was already being dug into by other admins so I let them handle it instead
I was telling Juantoto to shut the fuck up btw because he was the retard bringing it up immediately after OOC was disabled
I was telling Juantoto to shut the fuck up btw because he was the retard bringing it up immediately after OOC was disabled
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
>Join in with no information of what happened
>Attack the person ruling over you in Chain of Command as they are arresting someone
>Defend the person being arrested even though you have no idea on what happened
>Get dunked by the next person in chain of command
mods?????
>Attack the person ruling over you in Chain of Command as they are arresting someone
>Defend the person being arrested even though you have no idea on what happened
>Get dunked by the next person in chain of command
mods?????
- danno
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
basically I barely dipped my toe into these complicated waters and another admin was handling the issues with that particular player already so I'm thinking "I probably shouldn't get involved"
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
>Cliff Jerome(Akesson)
>He continues saying "Others might treat you differently, but I won't."
The classic J_madison reverse metafriend where he treats you differently because of who you are despite saying he won't
>He continues saying "Others might treat you differently, but I won't."
The classic J_madison reverse metafriend where he treats you differently because of who you are despite saying he won't
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- Desucake
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
I got the info over the arrest, they were said to have stole items that were in the blown areas of the station, so thats why I pushed in on the issue. The person was out of gulag, stripped, and welded into a hallway. I reported the issue to get a bit more info from the HOS, I didn't expect the person to stun me and fully jacket me with a muzzle over it. It just felt like it was fueled over OOC type issues, especially the "You may be treated by others different, but not me" comment. That is the only reason why I even adminhelped over it, if he had just stunned me and told me to fuck off, that would've been easily ignored and played off as IC, but he sounded like he had a personal vendetta over it.D&B wrote:>Join in with no information of what happened
>Attack the person ruling over you in Chain of Command as they are arresting someone
>Defend the person being arrested even though you have no idea on what happened
>Get dunked by the next person in chain of command
mods?????
Also, the other admins "Darklord" said that they were busy with other issues, and that he thought you should've looked into it more, Danno.
- danno
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
I guess in short we should have communicated better in ASAY
- Desucake
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
I understand, the station can be a bit crazy sometimes. I wasn't looking for this guy to get hit with a major banhammer or anything, maybe just a check in on how he was handling things, as I said, I was told he has a history of escalating things without a real reason.danno wrote:I guess in short we should have communicated better in ASAY
- J_Madison
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
Can you PLEASE not berate me and lecture me about how I'm a bad HOS, I run a poor ship of security team, and how I'm not treating this and you the right way.
You aren't entitled to arrest the Warden because he arresting people for theft.
You don't outrank shit. Your rank is a little text. I hold the disk. I am in control here.
You had a fake captain ID.
You were latejoin. I thought you were fake sec.
You aren't entitled to anything. You aren't entitled to say I'm treating you wrong.
You aren't entitled to arrest the Warden because he arresting people for theft.
You don't outrank shit. Your rank is a little text. I hold the disk. I am in control here.
You had a fake captain ID.
You were latejoin. I thought you were fake sec.
You aren't entitled to anything. You aren't entitled to say I'm treating you wrong.
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
What is a fake captain ID
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
when a sec officer with a "captain" ranking ID claims his rank and you call him out on the fact that someone was giving out all access and he wasn't a captain and his rank doesn't matter.oranges wrote:What is a fake captain ID
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
I am entitled if he is harming people to stop them.J_Madison wrote:Can you PLEASE not berate me and lecture me about how I'm a bad HOS, I run a poor ship of security team, and how I'm not treating this and you the right way.
You aren't entitled to arrest the Warden because he arresting people for theft.
You don't outrank shit. Your rank is a little text. I hold the disk. I am in control here.
You had a fake captain ID.
You were latejoin. I thought you were fake sec.
You aren't entitled to anything. You aren't entitled to say I'm treating you wrong.
If you don't have control on your own actions, you hardly have control on the situation. I only told you that I outranked you, cause you ignored me and were already cuffing me before I even tossed in rank.
I had full access to call the shuttle that you got to dock earlier.
I told you plenty of times I was security, you ignored me.
I looked to you to atleast put your two cents into the situation, if you'd told me to back off, I would've backed off. Instead, you went to full rage cause I wouldn't "Shut the fuck up", speaking just one sentence to you. You aren't entitled to be above everything, cause you have the disk.
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
no you're not. talk to me first, also he wasn't harming.
you don't outrank dick. i hold the disk you late joining fake captain mmook.
I put my trust on the warden that has been here all shift than you.
you arrested them. I took action.
chain is only strong as weakest link and you are a weak link in my sec team.
you don't outrank dick. i hold the disk you late joining fake captain mmook.
I put my trust on the warden that has been here all shift than you.
you arrested them. I took action.
chain is only strong as weakest link and you are a weak link in my sec team.
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
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[21:43:54]SAY: Cliff Jerome/Akesson : here (153,26,11)
[21:43:56]SAY: Cliff Jerome/Akesson : suck on this (153,26,11)
[21:44:00]SAY: Cliff Jerome/Akesson : mmmm (153,26,11)
[21:44:01]SAY: Cliff Jerome/Akesson : metal (153,26,11)
[21:44:03]SAY: Cliff Jerome/Akesson : tasty (153,26,11)
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- Desucake
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
You don't go far pushing that kind of logic into a place like this. I cuffed them, I put them in front of you, and wanted to know your opinion over the issue. A simple "Let them go" and that would've been the end of it, not a full rant about how I'm shit for taking other people's saftey in consideration and about how you rule everything cause you have the disk, wasn't needed. I get that it can be ic, but when you go into full length to be like that, its more of griefing. You wanted to N20 right off the spot over it, how does that make any damn sense? Thats why they were doing what they want, you infact were the weak link leading them.J_Madison wrote:no you're not. talk to me first, also he wasn't harming.
you don't outrank dick. i hold the disk you late joining fake captain mmook.
I put my trust on the warden that has been here all shift than you.
you arrested them. I took action.
chain is only strong as weakest link and you are a weak link in my sec team.
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
because you kept talking you kept screaming
what if someone actually came to help you?
if you had your mouth shut, none of this would have happened
what if someone actually came to help you?
if you had your mouth shut, none of this would have happened
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
Real hard to faddom that you think this way, but if that was the truth, how is one sentence in a room of only you and the warden going to get me any help? Are you telling me I should've just ignored people being shit to others for benign reasons? Maybe you shouldn't be playing security roles if you are just using the power to swing around as your plaything. Me speaking at all had nothing to do with your questionable actions.J_Madison wrote:because you kept talking you kept screaming
what if someone actually came to help you?
if you had your mouth shut, none of this would have happened
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
Guys this discussion really isn't appropriate for this thread.
We know what went wrong so if Desucakes is fine with it, this should be locked
We know what went wrong so if Desucakes is fine with it, this should be locked
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
I agree, I am sorry to even reply to him, but I just had to point a few things out. I hope he gets some sort of talking to.danno wrote:Guys this discussion really isn't appropriate for this thread.
We know what went wrong so if Desucakes is fine with it, this should be locked
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
maybe you shouldn't get involved in things you aren't willing to accept responsibility for what occurs.Desucake wrote:Real hard to faddom that you think this way, but if that was the truth, how is one sentence in a room of only you and the warden going to get me any help? Are you telling me I should've just ignored people being shit to others for benign reasons? Maybe you shouldn't be playing security roles if you are just using the power to swing around as your plaything. Me speaking at all had nothing to do with your questionable actions.J_Madison wrote:because you kept talking you kept screaming
what if someone actually came to help you?
if you had your mouth shut, none of this would have happened
Simply put, you wanted to intervene. you could have walked away and this never happened.
I told you to talk to me first. I'm the HOS. Not you. I'm the one who has been here all shift. I'm the one with a real original ID instead of looting a captain's ID and pretending I matter.
Maybe you shouldn't step out of your boundaries and over other people's gameplay.
Maybe you should adhere to silence instead of digging a hole worse for you.
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
Enough.
This is why OOC was muted, for fuck's sake.
This is why OOC was muted, for fuck's sake.
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Re: [Desucake] Danno- Improper handling of Security Issue.
Nothing actionable and this seems to be resolved.
I would call it an IC issue too although there is no need to be so fucking autistic when you shove a gun into someone's mouth, jmad. You need to step back from things like that.
I would call it an IC issue too although there is no need to be so fucking autistic when you shove a gun into someone's mouth, jmad. You need to step back from things like that.
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