What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
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What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
After an incident earlier today involving the bar shuttle I have been wondering; how are the ghost role bar staff (consisting of a drone and lusty xenomorph maid) expected act towards antagonists, the situations they create on the shuttle, and the crew in general?
The drone itself, as far as I'm aware, does not have standard drone laws, nor does the xenomorph maid have any. So, what is the bar staff expected to do when antagonists arrive at the bar? If they cause damage, such as attempting to blow up or depressurize the shuttle, is the drone expected to repair that damage? Can the bar staff (mainly the drone, as xenomorph maids are largely incapable of damage) attack antagonists in self defence? Pull/push them off the shuttle? If an antagonist plants a bomb, grenade, singularity beacon and so on, are the bar staff able to remove it? Are the staff expected to try and heal crew, and bring them out of dangerous areas of the shuttle? Should the staff try and intervene in situations to prevent harm, such as restraining crew? Should the drone simply act as any other drone, and if yes then how should the maid be treated?
What exactly is the role of these bar staff?
The drone itself, as far as I'm aware, does not have standard drone laws, nor does the xenomorph maid have any. So, what is the bar staff expected to do when antagonists arrive at the bar? If they cause damage, such as attempting to blow up or depressurize the shuttle, is the drone expected to repair that damage? Can the bar staff (mainly the drone, as xenomorph maids are largely incapable of damage) attack antagonists in self defence? Pull/push them off the shuttle? If an antagonist plants a bomb, grenade, singularity beacon and so on, are the bar staff able to remove it? Are the staff expected to try and heal crew, and bring them out of dangerous areas of the shuttle? Should the staff try and intervene in situations to prevent harm, such as restraining crew? Should the drone simply act as any other drone, and if yes then how should the maid be treated?
What exactly is the role of these bar staff?
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
I don't find bar staff preventing their bar from blowing up disproportionate at all.
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laws = "1. Serve drinks.\n\
2. Talk to patrons.\n\
3. Don't get messed up in their affairs."
I'd look carefully at the 3rd law there.
Maybe it should be reworded, but the spirit of the law seems not to fuck with carbons.
The maid however has no laws, but is bound to server rules and regular escalation against the crew and the crew have relaxed escalation towards them as they are a ghost role.
2. Talk to patrons.\n\
3. Don't get messed up in their affairs."
I'd look carefully at the 3rd law there.
Maybe it should be reworded, but the spirit of the law seems not to fuck with carbons.
The maid however has no laws, but is bound to server rules and regular escalation against the crew and the crew have relaxed escalation towards them as they are a ghost role.
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they're both invulnerable and godmode, the drone should let antags do their antagging. even if that means the shuttle getting blown up. the maid should do the same. do your roles and don't interfere with fights with your godmode 10k health or whatever.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
oh no, the antags are about to escape on the shuttle
better spawn as ghostrole and get my valids before they greentext
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Pretty much this and what Kevinz said.DemonFiren wrote:oh no, the antags are about to escape on the shuttle
better spawn as ghostrole and get my valids before they greentext
You're invincible who fucking cares just watch the bar fight and try to get some dude still buckled in a chair drunk.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Hey, I'm as much against bar staff taking action as you all are. Thanks for all the responses, though.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
We should probably flavor text this incode though.kevinz000 wrote:they're both invulnerable and godmode, the drone should let antags do their antagging. even if that means the shuttle getting blown up. the maid should do the same. do your roles and don't interfere with fights with your godmode 10k health or whatever.
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yeah we honestly should. someone do that after freeze please.Dax Dupont wrote:We should probably flavor text this incode though.kevinz000 wrote:they're both invulnerable and godmode, the drone should let antags do their antagging. even if that means the shuttle getting blown up. the maid should do the same. do your roles and don't interfere with fights with your godmode 10k health or whatever.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
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PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
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or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
code is something goof can fuck up, though
he doesn't know how rules work
he doesn't know how rules work
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
>problem easily fixable from codekevinz000 wrote:or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
>lets add a rule instead
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iamgoofball wrote:>problem easily fixable from codekevinz000 wrote:or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
>lets add a rule instead
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Surprisingly good post. I don't think admins exist to handle problems you can easily fix by code but choose not to because ???iamgoofball wrote:>problem easily fixable from codekevinz000 wrote:or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
>lets add a rule instead
I'm surprised this post doesn't have something linking Xeno MAID and MAID cafe & the shuttle being a vector for fetish content.
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Didnt feel like repeating myself again
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Oh hey, its another "Goof trolls the policy threads to threaten PRs nobody asked for and nobody wants just to stir the pot" episode. Change the fucking channel.
Literally nothing needs to change in the code for something that isn't an issue in the first place.
Literally nothing needs to change in the code for something that isn't an issue in the first place.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
In a line up that includes a giant fucking asteroid that kills a dozen people, disco inferno and two supermatters, we can have a godmoded bartender you have to behave yourself in front of for the last 3 minutes. It's not the end of the world.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Honestly I never understood why they had godmode anyway.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Tell an admin to spawn an animal with a lot of health, make it sentient, and see what happens.Saegrimr wrote:Honestly I never understood why they had godmode anyway.
People really love killing friendly animals.
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Mostly people just killed it because it was an xeno and a maid and literally fetish bait and our players are ruthless as shit against anything that is valid
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
we have pacifist traits in the code now, why not just give them pacifist
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if this isnt an issue WHY IS THERE A FUCKING POLICY DISCUSSION THREAD FOR ITcedarbridge wrote:Oh hey, its another "Goof trolls the policy threads to threaten PRs nobody asked for and nobody wants just to stir the pot" episode. Change the fucking channel.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Really all there is to it. A while back I'd be surprised this is even a problem, but I've seen experienced players fail to understand basic ghost roles so whatever.PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
The three main solutions I've seen seem fair enough, just pick one or all; slap players who abuse the bar drone role, big red obnoxious text on accepting the role telling them to just serve fucking drinks, code them so they can only do their role or remove godmode.
I'm fine with any of that. I don't see Xeno Maid being a problem, pretty sure all they can do is clean people and maybe push/block people, Xeno Maid is a non-issue. Bar Drone being immune to damage and having hands but no drone laws means it can be abused but our retarded playerbase should know exactly what a bar drone is meant to do. Just fucking ghost role ban the idiot, fuck rules lawyering they should know better.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
I still think clarifying it in their flavor text is a good thing regardless.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
not to empty quote but is this possible for simple mobsbandit wrote:we have pacifist traits in the code now, why not just give them pacifist
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Short answer? Because sometimes people are just dumb and make threads about it. If something needs to be changed or removed we'll let you know.iamgoofball wrote:if this isnt an issue WHY IS THERE A FUCKING POLICY DISCUSSION THREAD FOR ITcedarbridge wrote:Oh hey, its another "Goof trolls the policy threads to threaten PRs nobody asked for and nobody wants just to stir the pot" episode. Change the fucking channel.
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Drones shouldn't interact with players we should just code it in so they can't touch humans or drag mob bodies.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
But then that interferes with free drones, hacked drones (if those ever get implemented), and cogscarabs.Rustledjimm wrote:Drones shouldn't interact with players we should just code it in so they can't touch humans or drag mob bodies.
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If only there was some way to create exceptions for these cases...somerandomguy wrote:But then that interferes with free drones, hacked drones (if those ever get implemented), and cogscarabs.
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/sDrones shouldn't interact with players we should just code it in so they can't touch humans or drag mob bodies.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
You can /s all you want but it's actually a good solution for standard drones.
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actually yeah, if (laws = initial(laws))ohnopigeons wrote:You can /s all you want but it's actually a good solution for standard drones.
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Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
This thread has started to talk in circles. If you want a code solution, make a PR and see what happens, otherwise I think this thread should be locked as it's patently clear there's no debate on what they should be doing.
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PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
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The Clowns Pocket wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
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