[Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
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[Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Byond account and character name: BigPenorBoi / Tyrone Gucciston
Banning admin: Arianya
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server ban
Ban reason and length: "Rule 0 Ban: You've had multiple issues with escalation over the past few weeks, and its now at the point where every ticket borders ban baiting, in spite of multiple admins trying to explain escalation to you. When you feel you understand escalation and are ready to come back you are welcome to appeal this on the forums." Permanent
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 15:15 or so GMT, round 88510
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story:
I was playing botanist, I went to go get a chem dispenser. I walked into chem and then there was a swarm of people that made it nigh impossible to move and in all this tussle the chemist stabbed me into blindness with a screwdriver. I ahelped it and was told its fine.
Come back to see botany making no progress, other botanist was downright terrible and the chef was the only one actually trying to grow anything with any success. Eventually I got fed up and told the other botanist to just stay out, when he came back I grabbed him to make him leave and he pushed me to the floor and killed me with a hatchet. He tried to feed gaia but it only had 3u of earthblood so did nothing. He made no effort beyond that to take me to cloning, medbay and even prevented an assistant taking my body which ended in a fight with the chef and assistant that killed him.
I ahelped it obviously and Arianya responded saying that because I did an aggressive grab I started the fight (was a misclick for the record) and said he is allowed to retaliate to which I responded saying that I was always told that if you kill someone you didn't mean to then you should make every effort to save them which he didn't and even actively prevented. Arianya said that since he left my body in the middle of the bar where anyone could clone me it was fine, to which I mentioned how the botanist actively tried to stop me from being cloned.
Arianya went silent, I ahelped on the same ticket a couple times asking if they were doing anything and Alexch2 responded saying he was looking into it and getting more experienced admins. Then a few minutes later, banned.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
Considering I was banned for a situation I felt the escalation was invalid considering they went lethal immediately after only being grabbed and I was left for dead it feels strange to get banned after that scenario. For doing the exact same thing as the other botanist I have been warned before even after I tried to save them yet when it is done to me it's valid. Additionally it would be nice to get a little bit more correspondence with the banning admin instead of ignoring me for 5 minutes then banning me. Additionally, a grab is usually not counted as instigation unless it's used for tabling just like a disarm is usually not counted but this is not specified in the rules and depends entirely on which admin you talk to it feels. Sometimes a push is instigation despite causing no damage, sometimes it isn't.
Banning admin: Arianya
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server ban
Ban reason and length: "Rule 0 Ban: You've had multiple issues with escalation over the past few weeks, and its now at the point where every ticket borders ban baiting, in spite of multiple admins trying to explain escalation to you. When you feel you understand escalation and are ready to come back you are welcome to appeal this on the forums." Permanent
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 15:15 or so GMT, round 88510
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story:
I was playing botanist, I went to go get a chem dispenser. I walked into chem and then there was a swarm of people that made it nigh impossible to move and in all this tussle the chemist stabbed me into blindness with a screwdriver. I ahelped it and was told its fine.
Come back to see botany making no progress, other botanist was downright terrible and the chef was the only one actually trying to grow anything with any success. Eventually I got fed up and told the other botanist to just stay out, when he came back I grabbed him to make him leave and he pushed me to the floor and killed me with a hatchet. He tried to feed gaia but it only had 3u of earthblood so did nothing. He made no effort beyond that to take me to cloning, medbay and even prevented an assistant taking my body which ended in a fight with the chef and assistant that killed him.
I ahelped it obviously and Arianya responded saying that because I did an aggressive grab I started the fight (was a misclick for the record) and said he is allowed to retaliate to which I responded saying that I was always told that if you kill someone you didn't mean to then you should make every effort to save them which he didn't and even actively prevented. Arianya said that since he left my body in the middle of the bar where anyone could clone me it was fine, to which I mentioned how the botanist actively tried to stop me from being cloned.
Arianya went silent, I ahelped on the same ticket a couple times asking if they were doing anything and Alexch2 responded saying he was looking into it and getting more experienced admins. Then a few minutes later, banned.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
Considering I was banned for a situation I felt the escalation was invalid considering they went lethal immediately after only being grabbed and I was left for dead it feels strange to get banned after that scenario. For doing the exact same thing as the other botanist I have been warned before even after I tried to save them yet when it is done to me it's valid. Additionally it would be nice to get a little bit more correspondence with the banning admin instead of ignoring me for 5 minutes then banning me. Additionally, a grab is usually not counted as instigation unless it's used for tabling just like a disarm is usually not counted but this is not specified in the rules and depends entirely on which admin you talk to it feels. Sometimes a push is instigation despite causing no damage, sometimes it isn't.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
To clarify, on advice the ban was amended to be a Rule 1 ban shortly after application.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
You've racked up 14 notes/bans in a period of 2 months.
On average this is one every six rounds you played.
On average this is one every six rounds you played.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
This was a ban applied with a small discussion in adminbus after your continuous horrible behavior, this isn't incident specific.
It's stuff like nuggeting people for minor B&E and constant banbaiting.
It's stuff like nuggeting people for minor B&E and constant banbaiting.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
I didn't nugget him over it, I did the same thing I have had captains do to me and be called valid which is a limb for B&E. Considering I was told that being held for 5 minutes plus having my arm removed was valid for vandalism.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
I find this largely in part due to inconsistency in the administration, things that I were told are valid are no longer valid and vice-versa all the time since every admin seems to have a different policy of what is/isn't allowed.Nabski wrote:You've racked up 14 notes/bans in a period of 2 months.
On average this is one every six rounds you played.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
You removed two legs and you were working on the arms when I bwoinked you and you didn't stop, the first arm very nearly came off but the ban took you first.bigpenorboi wrote:I didn't nugget him over it, I did the same thing I have had captains do to me and be called valid which is a limb for B&E. Considering I was told that being held for 5 minutes plus having my arm removed was valid for vandalism.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Yeah, admins can be pretty inconsistent. But you can avoid them most of the time if you play nicely with others.bigpenorboi wrote:I find this largely in part due to inconsistency in the administration
14 notes/bans means 14 people were unhappy enough to ahelp your behavior. If you don't want admins to bother you, you gotta learn how to avoid pissing people off. That's the reality of this game.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Could an admin clarify on the "One aggressive grab making you valid" thing because this shouldn't be encouraged even if you are looking for a specific reason to "IC issue" someone's problem.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Working on arm singular, I explained it all to him and said to pick or I would take 3 and he just stayed dead silent. I have had similar shit pulled on me without surgery or medical treatment just a captain's sword and some handcuffs and had it be valid.Dax Dupont wrote:You removed two legs and you were working on the arms when I bwoinked you and you didn't stop, the first arm very nearly came off but the ban took you first.bigpenorboi wrote:I didn't nugget him over it, I did the same thing I have had captains do to me and be called valid which is a limb for B&E. Considering I was told that being held for 5 minutes plus having my arm removed was valid for vandalism.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Equating captains delimbing you and you delimbing others is dumb and provides no argument as it's highly contextual.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
This is going to be a long one, since I'm justifying a permanent ban. I'll append a TL;DR at the end if you really don't care about the specifics:
Reason for ban
The Straw that Broke the Camel's Back
Points for Improvement & Eventual Unbanning
TL;DR
As a result of the above, I am denying your appeal, subject of course to headmin review if they see things differently.
Reason for ban
Spoiler:
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
I don't keep a log on which admins have said about what, the expectation that I would remember who said something to me almost a month ago is unreasonable.including to the point of trying to insist you were told it was okay by someone else, with no specific names remembered
Meaning he was preventing me from being cloned, which is not trying to heal me. He left my body in botany for the longest time.An altercation then blew up between him and an assistant, ostensibly over your body
My point is that quite often I will do things that have been done to me and have been valid that when done by me are invalidtry to bring up past incidents
A captain delimbing, holding and not providing medical to me for vandalism and me delimbing someone as a captain for breaking and entering aren't comparable? Almost exactly the same situation but one was called valid and the other wasn't.Equating captains delimbing you and you delimbing others is dumb and provides no argument as it's highly contextual.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Aggressive grabs now soft-stun/100% disarm. If you get tabled you can get grabbed again long enough for the hold which is a pain to resist out of.Saegrimr wrote:Could an admin clarify on the "One aggressive grab making you valid" thing because this shouldn't be encouraged even if you are looking for a specific reason to "IC issue" someone's problem.
It's hard to say that it shouldn't be treated as violence when stuns are the bread/butter of how you kill someone a majority of the time.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
I didn't table him or anything though, I walked to the door with him, I made it plain and obvious I just wanted him gone from botany since he was genuinely bad.Cobby wrote:Aggressive grabs now soft-stun/100% disarm. If you get tabled you can get grabbed again long enough for the hold which is a pain to resist out of.Saegrimr wrote:Could an admin clarify on the "One aggressive grab making you valid" thing because this shouldn't be encouraged even if you are looking for a specific reason to "IC issue" someone's problem.
It's hard to say that it shouldn't be treated as violence when stuns are the bread/butter of how you kill someone a majority of the time.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
I won't harp on this incident too much since it seems to be just part of a larger problem but exactly how do you botany "bad"?
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
Letting plants die, not producing many plants in the first place, not improving stats. Only reason we had ambrosia gaia was the chef, since I was too busy having my eyes gouged out and the other botanist was himself. Basically he did nothing but put a few seeds in hydroponics trays and stand in the wayCobby wrote:I won't harp on this incident too much since it seems to be just part of a larger problem but exactly how do you botany "bad"?
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
I imagine a world where random internet people help each other out in a videogame people take way too seriously.
Anyways please discuss this general notion rather than harping on this incident.
Anyways please discuss this general notion rather than harping on this incident.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
This ban is not incident specific and follows a line of consistent bad behavior.
We'll let the headmins decide
We'll let the headmins decide
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
we have around 6k players, losing 1 guy who's a redundant shitter is no loss, keep him tossed.
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
then expecting to use it as evidence is equally unreasonablebigpenorboi wrote:I don't keep a log on which admins have said about what, the expectation that I would remember who said something to me almost a month ago is unreasonable.including to the point of trying to insist you were told it was okay by someone else, with no specific names remembered
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Re: [Arianya] BigPenorBoi - Banned for getting killed?
From the metacomming incident to here, I think we've seen enough BigPenorBoi problems to show that this server just isn't right for you. One note every six rounds is REALLY bad (though I will state that some of these notes shouldn't have been notes.) The Jaz escalation policy note comes into play here and the (almost)nuggeting is especially telling.
Take some time at another server and come back here.
Take some time at another server and come back here.
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