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P.S. Shoot Dr. Allen on sight and dissolve his body in acid. Don't burn it.
P.S. Shoot Dr. Allen on sight and dissolve his body in acid. Don't burn it.
tusterman11 wrote:Can you stop lying? I just asked you and you are was a piece of shiit on me!!!
Kor wrote:I wish Wyzack was still an admin.
ShadowDimentio wrote:Just let people stream, metacomming and metagaming is already bannable.
ohnopigeons wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:Streaming is metacomms.
In technicality, not in spirit.
Armhulen wrote:ohnopigeons wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:Streaming is metacomms.
In technicality, not in spirit.
not even in technicality, unless people act on the stream. metacomms becomes metacomms when people use info they know
Dax Dupont wrote:Armhulen wrote:ohnopigeons wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:Streaming is metacomms.
In technicality, not in spirit.
not even in technicality, unless people act on the stream. metacomms becomes metacomms when people use info they know
Isn't that the metagaming part?
Armhulen wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:Armhulen wrote:ohnopigeons wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:Streaming is metacomms.
In technicality, not in spirit.
not even in technicality, unless people act on the stream. metacomms becomes metacomms when people use info they know
Isn't that the metagaming part?
when there are ways to do it that are much easier and with way less risk and completely 100% without good intention then why would they stream to do it
Stickymayhem wrote:you're right!
BeeSting12 wrote:Let people do it. It doesnt benefit the streamer and can even be harmful to them. We shouldnt add stream sniping bans either imo unless its blatantly obvious. Its essentially one way metacomms that doesnt benefit the streamer
EagleWiz wrote:For the streamer there isnt much obvious benefit, but for anyone watching you can see what the round type is quick, identify antags on the streamers team, identify antags who killed the streamer, recover the corpse, etc. And most of the things someone could do with the meta knowledge of the stream are not immediately obvious, so realistically they would get away with it. Yeah, you might be able to catch someone using the stream when they say its nuke ops before any ops even show up, or start attacking a random guy who just happens to be antag, but good luck banning someone for just happening to avoid the borgs (that he knows are emaged from the stream) or just happening to wander across an abandoned cult base or a corpse in a locker.
Dax Dupont wrote:EagleWiz wrote:For the streamer there isnt much obvious benefit, but for anyone watching you can see what the round type is quick, identify antags on the streamers team, identify antags who killed the streamer, recover the corpse, etc. And most of the things someone could do with the meta knowledge of the stream are not immediately obvious, so realistically they would get away with it. Yeah, you might be able to catch someone using the stream when they say its nuke ops before any ops even show up, or start attacking a random guy who just happens to be antag, but good luck banning someone for just happening to avoid the borgs (that he knows are emaged from the stream) or just happening to wander across an abandoned cult base or a corpse in a locker.
This^
Grazyn wrote:allowing streamers would cause small amounts of unnoticeable low-key metacomming but will bring much more benefits in the long run, I'd say it's worth it
Armhulen wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:EagleWiz wrote:For the streamer there isnt much obvious benefit, but for anyone watching you can see what the round type is quick, identify antags on the streamers team, identify antags who killed the streamer, recover the corpse, etc. And most of the things someone could do with the meta knowledge of the stream are not immediately obvious, so realistically they would get away with it. Yeah, you might be able to catch someone using the stream when they say its nuke ops before any ops even show up, or start attacking a random guy who just happens to be antag, but good luck banning someone for just happening to avoid the borgs (that he knows are emaged from the stream) or just happening to wander across an abandoned cult base or a corpse in a locker.
This^
people can already do this with skype/discord/any other service that lets you talk to people over the internet without broadcasting half of their meta stuff with admins?
RandomMarine wrote:Grazyn wrote:allowing streamers would cause small amounts of unnoticeable low-key metacomming but will bring much more benefits in the long run, I'd say it's worth it
Please explain these so-called benefits of exposing SS13 to twitch viewers.
Grazyn wrote:More players. As simple as that. Right now we have a server which tops at 10 players, we have room to spare. More players mean more jobs filled, fresh interactions, more potential coders and admins. And more money for the patreon, better server equipment, all in all a whole load of benefits. And who knows, with a critical mass we could even reach the final push needed for the infamous ss13 remake, and we could finally break free from the shackles of Byond. But to do that, ss13 needs to raise above the current "niche game" status into the mainstream club, and Twitch is the first step to achieve that.
RandomMarine wrote:Except the average twitch viewer somehow manages to rank lower than the average /b/ user in ability to behave like like a decent human being.
Grazyn wrote:RandomMarine wrote:Grazyn wrote:allowing streamers would cause small amounts of unnoticeable low-key metacomming but will bring much more benefits in the long run, I'd say it's worth it
Please explain these so-called benefits of exposing SS13 to twitch viewers.
More players. As simple as that. Right now we have a server which tops at 10 players, we have room to spare. More players mean more jobs filled, fresh interactions, more potential coders and admins. And more money for the patreon, better server equipment, all in all a whole load of benefits. And who knows, with a critical mass we could even reach the final push needed for the infamous ss13 remake, and we could finally break free from the shackles of Byond. But to do that, ss13 needs to raise above the current "niche game" status into the mainstream club, and Twitch is the first step to achieve that.
Dax Dupont wrote:
Most of terry's appeal is the fact it's low pop as well.
Still, my support will always go towards the rightful Lord of Yurop, God-Emperor Donald Trump the Trumpst. Trumpingrad for life. He'll make an indiscriminate number of countries great again.
Grazyn wrote:Dax Dupont wrote:
Most of terry's appeal is the fact it's low pop as well.
They used to say the same about basil, now both sybil and basil reach high pop and nobody complains
BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909
Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?
skoglol wrote:Hi. I am the guy who was streaming, and I wanted to chime in and discuss ways to alleviate your concerns. Thanks Rustledjimm for handling this in a good way, and for opening this up for discussion.
First of all, I am not a big streamer. I got a few regulars, but that is about it. I mainly just stream for the enjoyment of it, and the people hanging out in the channels seem to enjoy watching and discussing some ss13.
Now some of these issues can be (at least partially) alleviated by imposing limitations. I am more than happy to avoid being a roundstart team antag. Chances are good that the info is already out in comms before I discover them/get converted anyway. I would also happily avoid head positions or security jobs alltogether.
Getting chosen for the other antag roles is a fairly rare occurence, and if that information is used will mostly just hinder myself.
Someone did mention a deadchat overlay when ghost, which is also a possibility to prevent spreading information.
That leaves the last issue. I might be naive, but I would expect server regulars to strive to follow the metagaming rules in the first place. But I see a different side of people than you admins do, so I will leave that conclusion up to you.
Either way, I think this should leave a pretty limited amount of non-public information obtainable through the stream.
So lets get to the heart of the matter. What would it take in terms of special rules or considerations to be able to stream from tg servers without a delay?
Anyone have other reasonable suggestions to prevent roundbreaking information getting out?
Stickymayhem wrote:you're right!
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