Admin: Imsxz
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: 2019-03-23 around 03:28:28 near end of the round. Bagil.
ROUND ID HERE: 104444
Detailed summary:
During the traitor round, a non-antagonist botanist decided it would be funny to make cabbage that turned people into slimes under the guise that they just slipped. They even gave one to a Honkbot pAI who only believed they slipped due to being told that by the same botanist that made them.
A little bit of time passes, the botanist is forcing these cabbages at players before at some point ending up as a slime himself by his own actions. Now, there are a lot of these grief cabbages in the hall, and everytime someone slips on them, they are converted into a slime moments later. We're not talking slimepeople, because that would be a non-issue really. We're talking the simplemob slimes. The crew decides to kill the slimes, and in turn, some of the slimes decide to kill the crew. All of this stemming from one man who knowingly griefed as a non-antagonist with cabbages, under the guise that they slip.
I report this to Imsxz via an adminhelp, as it is irreversible, and the fact people were killing slimes en masse makes it a permanent death for anyone who was unfortunate to get turned into one. Being slime mutation toxin griefing, it's actually worse than plasmaman mutation toxin, as you are irreversibly turned into a simple mob unless it's a wizard round (it was a traitor round.)
I first told Imsxz,
to which they responded simplyPM to-Admins: Neither botanists were traitors, yet they made grief cabbages that got a lot of crew killed.
The lack of transparency here made me press a bit further about it, because of how much of a non-issue it was. I repliedAdmin PM from-Imsxz: i already spoke with the botanist about it.
Slime mutation toxin is high tier grief because it guarantees players will be removed out of the round fast and permanently due to the fact it converts you into a simplemob slime, and the person did it with no regret till they were adminhelped about it.PM to-Admins: This wasn't bannable? I mean this is HIGH tier grief.
Imsxz responded:
A bit flustered, I did respond:Admin PM from-Imsxz: it would have certainly eben a ban if the guy hadnt been playing constantly for a literal decade without a single other note
but also clarified on the intent of the botanist from what the pAI Honkbot told me when confronted after my transformation, because they were shocked about the cabbage they were only told slipped people:PM to-Admins: So you're telling me, if I had no notes, but then went around killing the crew with bomb backpacks I laid around, that's fine?
Imsxz responded:PM to-Admins: The guy literally gave Re-Tard a cabbage and said it only slips, and it actually turned me into a slime.
We went back and forth about intent, with me saying that it's not the same thing, and Imsxz saying that it's exactly the case with this guy. Which I responded one last time before the round restarted to clarify once again the intent that was made clear from his interactions with the pAI:Admin PM from-Imsxz: if you were a standup player for the past 10 years like this guy, and never caused any other issues, and told me you didnt realize itd get people killed, yeah id take your word.
Imsxz shrugged it off once more with:PM to-Admins: He knowingly knew that it had slime mutation toxin in it, and handed it out under the guise it just slipped or grew people.
WORLD REBOOTSAdmin PM from-Imsxz: if he had any other negative history id believe he did it out of malice
This round ID: 104448
In OOC, the first thing the botanist that grief the round prior said was:
Clearly not apologetic or regretful of griefing the entire crew the round prior.OOC: Glassbrain: y'all got slimed
I mention in OOC that they're not apologetic, and they did it maliciously. I then mention how they said they would only slip to the pAI that slipped me under the guise that they were just slippery cabbages.
Various people chimed in, regarding the round prior with responses, including the griefer in question (Glassbrain) like:
OOC: Lolibutt: i wanted to arrest botany but I got cabbaged
OOC: Man_Shroom: i died from the cabbages and turning into a slime and i'm not even mad
OOC: Guranda: The problem was the irreverability of the mutation
OOC: Guranda: It may as well kill people
OOC: Glassbrain: i said they would slip not that they would ONLY slip
Some point down the line, he attempts to justify it as just a prank with:OOC: Glassbrain: i thought it would be FUNNY and i'm sorry you didn't have fun.
I inform him about one of the effects of the grief, which got me killed for being a slime despite not attacking anyone but a botanist that I thought was responsible off in a remote corner of botany when nobody was looking, as I thought they were responsible by unrelated players:OOC: Glassbrain: it was botany memes
Imsxz tries once again to hand-wave the issue, and directs me instead to these forums (as in the past I have never made an admin complaint about various admin abuse/admin misjudgement situations, though this isn't necessarily the worst I've dealt with at all) by saying:OOC: TheMythicGhost: I was proof of a slime that got murdered despite doing nothing, and got turned into a slime because of a griefing non-traitor.
Almost doneOOC: Imsxz: mythic if you have an issue with my ruling you're free to make a complaint
OOC now has like 3-4 people peanut gallerying up the chat because of my anger towards the situation where I have constantly reclarified the situation, alongside a few other people. Some noteworthy bits for the final section here are:
He admits it was a mistake after this, but only after a while of confrontation.OOC: TheMythicGhost: Glass, you griefed, but you don't seem apologetic about that at all.
OOC: Glassbrain: i'm sorry man, i thought it'd be funny when i did it
OOC: TheMythicGhost: See?
OOC: TheMythicGhost: Does that not seem malicious?
and
At this point, OOC is muted, and Imsxz tells me:OOC: Rodey125: he didn't force you
OOC: TheMythicGhost: He did though
OOC: Rodey125: you all took the cabbages
OOC: TheMythicGhost: He was throwing them
OOC: TheMythicGhost: At people
OOC: TheMythicGhost: What the fuck are you saying
OOC: Rodey125: lmfao just don't step on them like wtf
OOC: Glassbrain: i was forcing people yes
OOC: Rodey125: are you slow
OOC: Glassbrain: that's not a matter of dispute
I don't think this kind of hand-waving should be acceptable specifically for instances of mass grief like this, despite previous player reputation, as it was proven (as clarified above) that the person had malicious intent, and were fully aware of what they were doing when they decided to turn a good portion of the crew into a slime. The logs linked to the round ID can clarify it even further if need be. If it were something like plasmaman mutation toxin, I could understand a slap on the wrist, as people can be turned right back into a human via that, but this was slime mutation toxin that caused an irreversible transformation that the crew could and did kill off permanently. I decided to file the complaint as they were the only admin on, and I felt it was an improper ruling on mass grief.OOC: Imsxz: hewwo
OOC: Imsxz: make an admin complaint if oyu have an issue ok]
OOC: Imsxz: shutup in my sacred OOC
OOC: Imsxz: ok
OOC: Imsxz: UWU