[Basil] [OrdoM] CAPTTLasky
BYOND Account: CAPTTLasky
Character Name: John Gobbel
Note Type: Temporary Note
Note Length: Expires 2019-10-20 08:13:49
Ban Reason: As a security officer in a stressful situation, executed and then cremated a virologist who was trying to get all access from a HoPmime, after said person had previously been gulagged for getting AA from a dead HoP who they had no part in killing. This is an overescalation for a security officer when there is a warden and other command available to decide the fate of the troublemaker.
Time Ban Was Placed: 2019-08-20 08:13:45
Server You Were Playing on When Banned: Bagil
Round ID in Which Ban Was Placed: 116547
Your Side of the Story: I will be going through this step by step using the logs from the round here: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... 116547.zip
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Relevant Individuals:
[2019-08-20 06:24:06.191] stillplant \ Ryder Spock \ Warden \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:24:06.558] athath \ Oganesson IV \ Virologist \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:24:06.782] griffindeluna \ Macie Vader \ Medical Doctor \ brother \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:24:07.264] capttlasky \ John Gobbel \ Security Officer \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:24:07.700] istoprocent \ Krokodil \ Security Officer \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:24:08.073] firefirefire3 \ Vigil Dawson \ Captain \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:24:08.536] calibraptor \ Sal Ami \ Head of Personnel \ NONE \ ROUNDSTART
[2019-08-20 06:59:21.579] RearKing \ Loud Whispers \ Mime \ NONE \ LATEJOIN
[2019-08-20 07:13:47.011] Thoroughwort \ Benny Liquid \ Detective \ NONE \ LATEJOIN
My interactions with the individual who I cremated (Oganesson IV, ckey: ATHATH) started after I and a fellow officer killed what we thought to be an antagonist after said individual robbed the officer of all they had, was arrested, came back to security with the officer's old corpse, and then attempted to assault both I and the other officer. We dragged him up to the brig when ATHATH started speaking
[Please note I'll be removing irrelevant sneezing and conversations elsewhere]
[2019-08-20 07:22:01.192] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "oi" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 157, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:03.018] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "what" (Fore Primary Hallway (108, 158, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:03.885] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I would like" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 157, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:06.225] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "to save that patient" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 157, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:10.987] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "he's already dead" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 159, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:13.547] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I know" (Fore Primary Hallway (108, 158, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:16.363] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I want to revive him" (Fore Primary Hallway (109, 159, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:19.435] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "no" (Brig (110, 163, 2))
[At this point ATHATH enters a restricted area without permission in order to continue attempting to let me revive the individual]
[2019-08-20 07:22:26.728] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "why not" (Brig (106, 167, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:28.148] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Brig is restricted sir" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:29.765] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Get the fuck out" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:35.784] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Because this man has been harassing security all shift" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:37.320] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "answer the question" (Brig (106, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:39.101] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "And just stole a stun baton" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[At this point I could have arrested him for trespassing but decided not to. I didn't believe that he was attempting to commit a crime yet but did think it strange that he wanted to revive the individual who had been clearly antagonistic towards security]
[2019-08-20 07:22:41.418] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "then borg him" (Brig (106, 166, 2))
[I was also suspicious over the fact that ATHATH wanted to borg the individual. Not knowing of the full situation, I could only assume that he wanted him to be borged because he knew the AI was subverted. The AI had started plasmaflooding security earlier and the suspicion was high that it was subverted. Later on it was discovered that it was, multiple times.]
[2019-08-20 07:22:43.124] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "So he's staying dead" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:22:44.014] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Nah" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[At this point I leave the center of the brig to go deposit the body somewhere he could not find it in security.]
[2019-08-20 07:22:51.343] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "don't just leave his corpse to rot" (Brig (103, 166, 2))
[ATHATH continues to ignore the fact that he is in a restricted area despite being warned and goes to the back prison wing illegally]
[2019-08-20 07:23:13.831] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "bruh" (Prison Wing (84, 180, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:23:14.351] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Leave the brig sir" (Prison Wing (86, 181, 2))
[The warden joins us, the other officer who helped me dispatch the perp also joins]
[2019-08-20 07:23:20.985] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "warden" (Brig (97, 178, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:23:25.238] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "how can you tolerate this conduct" (Brig (98, 167, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:23:27.719] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "among your officers" (Brig (98, 167, 2))
[Having no context as to why the man was killed, he starts attempting to get security to fight one another]
[2019-08-20 07:23:30.128] SAY: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) "Good shootin." (Prison Wing (88, 181, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:23:39.661] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "you made it easy" (Prison Wing (89, 180, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:23:44.289] SAY: Stillplant/(Ryder Spock) "I'll see the corpse turned over to the capel for burial" (Brig (99, 167, 2))
[A conversation between the Warden and I occurs, as I thought that the warden was attempting to borg the perp. The warden was obviously newer (left the brig many, many, MANY times that shift) so I was trying to help them out all round]
[ATHATH proceeds to try to turn the crew against security over radio (my talks with the CE still in brig omitted)]
[2019-08-20 07:25:21.441] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "john gobbels has decided that emmanuel doesn't deserve to live" (Central Primary Hallway (94, 115, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:25:32.168] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "and has both killed him and prevented me from defibbing him" (Central Primary Hallway (108, 115, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:25:50.539] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "the warden has promised to give him a burial in the chapel, though" (Central Primary Hallway (113, 115, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:25:57.685] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "and I will hold him to that promise" (Research Division (109, 109, 2))
[Announcing to the crew that security has apparently unfairly killed someone is generally considered inciting a riot, especially when the AI is asimov, but I ignore that it's a crime this time because it would be a dick to go and arrest him for that. Instead I attempt to diffuse over comms]
[2019-08-20 07:26:22.311] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Fuck off Plasmeme" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:26:36.803] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "You have no idea what that perp has been doing, don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[Less than a minute after this, the HoP is called out as being dead over radio. I rush over to find ATHATH on top of the HoP's corpse getting All Access.]
[2019-08-20 07:26:59.785] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shoved ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (96, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:00.618] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shoved ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:20.436] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "bro" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:03.358] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stunned ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:03.866] ATTACK: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) has stunned CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) with the defibrillator paddles (Wielded) (NEWHP: 94) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:09.459] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Backup HoP" (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:15.803] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stunned ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:20.159] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stunned ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:21.801] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "bro" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:25.131] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I didn't kill this dude" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:26.426] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has handcuffed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:30.577] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "someone else already put his ID in the console" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 132, 2))
[After being cuffed ATHATH still attempts to run away and resist arrest further, leading me to grab another sec member ( I believe it was the detective) while trying to grab him)]
[2019-08-20 07:27:49.004] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed Thoroughwort/(Benny Liquid) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (96, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:51.509] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:27:54.738] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "okay asshole" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 132, 2))
[At this point ATHATH starts talking on common channel with the HoP's looted headset, attempting to get others to lynch security.]
[2019-08-20 07:27:55.827] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "so" (Head of Personnel's Office (93, 132, 2))
[There are others on the scene now. I proceed to strip and confiscate any contraband I find. Only thing I could find directly on him was his all access id (which I had tried to test by throwing him against the door, which did not work because the ID was in a wallet) I did not perform a full search as ATHATH was attempting to incite a riot and I knew I needed to get them to security ( I could not remove the headset as they were a plasmaman)]
[2019-08-20 07:27:59.058] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I literally" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:01.917] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stripped the backpack off ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:03.017] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "walked in here" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:08.347] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Get the HoPs stuff secured and get him cloned" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:08.350] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "gave myself AA using the self-serve AA" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:11.872] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "and have been arrested" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:18.154] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "meanwhile, the actual person who gave out the AA" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:19.131] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "The HoP was dead, it wasn't self serve" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:20.481] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "remains at large" (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:21.413] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "You're going to jail" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:22.009] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "this is epic" (Head of Personnel's Office (95, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:31.784] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has attacked ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with backpack (INTENT: GRAB) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:33.408] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:34.579] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has thrown ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) grab from tile in Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2) towards tile at Head of Personnel's Office (90, 132, 2) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:34.580] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has thrown Oganesson IV (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:36.160] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:37.598] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "bro why the fuck did you think that I came in here in the first place" (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:41.772] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stripped the wallet displaying Oganesson IV's ID Card (Virologist) off ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:50.756] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I saw the HoP's corpse on suit sensors" (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:51.073] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Sir if you keep attempting to start a riot I will fucking give you a permanent sentence" (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 133, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:28:59.896] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I was picking it up as you decided to attack me" (Central Primary Hallway (88, 141, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:03.979] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "alright" (Central Primary Hallway (104, 144, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:03.993] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "EXCUSE ME?!" (Central Primary Hallway (103, 144, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:06.879] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Permanent sentence time!" (Central Primary Hallway (104, 144, 2))
[I proceeded to not give ATHATH a permanent sentence. I was not ready to commit to the idea that he was an antagonist despite attempting to revive a known capital criminal, stealing all access, assaulting an officer, and inciting a riot]
[2019-08-20 07:29:16.526] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Warden" (Brig (105, 165, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:17.460] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) ""ATTEMPTING TO START A RIOT"?!" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:20.626] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "the FUCK?!" (Brig (105, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:20.682] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Please give this fucktard 1000 on the gulag" (Brig (105, 165, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:27.834] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Actually I will" (Brig (103, 165, 2))
[ATHATH continues to talk on common channel (has been this whole time if I remember correctly)]
[2019-08-20 07:29:28.584] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I HAVE BEEN" (Brig (100, 165, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:29.111] SAY: Stillplant/(Ryder Spock) "Did you order them to disperse?" (Brig (104, 166, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:36.263] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "A LOYAL MEMBER OF MEDBAY" (Brig (97, 169, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:42.440] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I GAVE YOU THIS REGEN COMA VIRUS" (Brig (97, 169, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:48.450] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Gave himself AA too" (Brig (96, 169, 2))
[At this point the warden comes over to assist me in removing ATHATH]
[2019-08-20 07:29:49.435] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I LITERALLY JUST WALKED INTO THE ROOM" (Brig (97, 169, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:54.449] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "SAW THE ID IN THE CONSOLE" (Brig (96, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:29:59.019] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "AND GAVE MYSELF AA" (Brig (96, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:30:02.564] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "I DID NOTHING TO THE HOP" (Brig (96, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:30:05.235] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "WHAT THE FUCK" (Brig (96, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:30:17.504] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "ralf is dead" (Brig (96, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:30:22.526] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "medbay central" (Brig (96, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:30:28.415] GAME: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) teleported ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) to the Labor Camp (20,40,5) for 1000 points.
[I was not certain if the mime was an antag or not, despite being on scene, as they were away from the body and definitely not the killer. I left it to my other officers.]
[While in the brig I finish performing my search of ATHATH's belongings and find that he had stolen the hypospray from the CMO's locker. This all but confirmed my suspicion that he was a traitor. I showed it to the Warden.]
[2019-08-20 07:30:16.180] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has thrown the backpack (Brig (96, 169, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:30:59.360] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has thrown the hypospray (Brig (99, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:31:02.724] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "was the traitor" (Brig (99, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:31:06.831] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Stole this hypo" (Brig (99, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:31:08.850] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has thrown the hypospray (Brig (99, 168, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:31:12.135] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Thought as much" (Brig (99, 168, 2))
[A short amount of time passes between now and when ATHATH's sentence is up. During this time I destroy a rogue gygax and also promote myself to Head of Security with the all access ID. I first go to the Warden and then Captain using the pinpointer. Both made no objections that I saw.]
[When ATHATH's sentence was up, I ignored it. Generally when I give antags 1000 points on the gulag I let them go afterwards as a soft reset so they can stay in the round as a second chance. If they continue to break the law, I remove them from the round. I have done this countless times over many rounds with no objection. However, walking by the HoP's office, I saw the mime and ATHATH in the HoP's office. (The mime seemed fine as they were interacting with the crew normally, but seeing ATHATH inside of the HoP's office next to the console led me to believe that he was attempting to get all access again. Only once I heard the ID being slotted in and him standing next to the ID console did I begin to arrest.
Importantly here ,if ATHATH did not want to seem like he was attempting to get all access again, he would not have been standing next to the console and instead would have been on the other side of the line, in which case I would not have attempted to arrest. After the arrest, I had planned to interview the two and discern what level of access was actually being given and to make sure that that level was indeed given.]
[2019-08-20 07:45:08.142] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "wew" (Command Hallway (101, 126, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:16.785] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has thrown the banana peel (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:16.786] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has threw and hit ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the banana peel (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:17.448] ATTACK: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) has slipped on the [banana peel] (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:19.791] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has slipped on the [banana peel] (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:22.915] ATTACK: Firefirefire3/(Vigil Dawson) has attacked [�AI display] with the pocket crowbar (Central Primary Hallway (99, 145, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:25.185] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Yeah no" (Head of Personnel's Office (98, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:28.876] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "You aren't getting access back" (Head of Personnel's Office (98, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:29.268] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "WHO THE FUCK TOOK YM BACKPACK" (Head of Personnel's Office (96, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:34.232] EMOTE: RearKing/(Loud Whispers) shrugs. (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 131, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:39.078] ATTACK: RearKing/(Loud Whispers) has thrown the box of spare IDs (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:42.659] ATTACK: RearKing/(Loud Whispers) has thrown the lantern (Head of Personnel's Office (94, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:51.427] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:56.139] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stunned ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (100, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:45:56.527] ATTACK: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) has stunned CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) with the defibrillator paddles (Wielded) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:00.654] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Backup Bridge" (Bridge (100, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:01.434] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "Now" (Bridge (100, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:02.488] ATTACK: Griffin DeLuna/(Macie Vader) has shaken ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:02.822] SAY: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) "help mime" (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:03.505] ATTACK: Griffin DeLuna/(Macie Vader) has shaken ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (101, 128, 2)) {<---This person is a suspected antag aiding him]
[2019-08-20 07:46:03.636] ATTACK: RearKing/(Loud Whispers) has shaken CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (100, 131, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:06.799] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has stunned RearKing/(Loud Whispers) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (101, 131, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:07.425] ATTACK: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) has thrown the defibrillator paddles (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.153] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [Bridge] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.154] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [Bridge] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.154] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [Bridge] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.155] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [Bridge] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.155] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [Bridge] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.156] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [Bridge] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.276] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.278] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 83.5) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.280] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 67) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.282] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 54.6) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.325] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 38.1) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.673] ATTACK: Firefirefire3/(Vigil Dawson) has fired at [Bridge] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (100, 136, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.816] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.817] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.818] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.818] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.819] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.819] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.945] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 26.6) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:11.946] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: 14.2) (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.244] ATTACK: Firefirefire3/(Vigil Dawson) has fired at [Bridge] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (100, 136, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.481] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.481] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.482] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.482] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.483] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.483] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [wall] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:12.780] ATTACK: Firefirefire3/(Vigil Dawson) has fired at [Bridge] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (101, 136, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:13.348] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [floor] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:13.349] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [floor] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:13.349] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [floor] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:13.350] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [floor] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:13.350] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [floor] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:13.351] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at [floor] with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.515] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.516] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.516] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.517] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.517] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.518] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has fired at ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet from Bridge (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.597] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: -2.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.600] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: -19.9) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.602] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: -37.5) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.603] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: -55.1) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.605] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: -72.7) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.651] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has shot ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) with the buckshot pellet (NEWHP: -90.3) (Bridge (101, 130, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.652] EMOTE: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:17.655] ATTACK: ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) has died (BRUTE: 218.9, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Bridge (100, 132, 2)) (Bridge (100, 132, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:24.562] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "What the fuck mime" (Bridge (101, 129, 2))
[The Captain (who was helping me fight ATHATH) watches me pick up ATHATH and bring him towards the cremator]
[2019-08-20 07:46:27.319] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) passive grab (NEWHP: -106.8) (Bridge (101, 131, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:37.125] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has grabbed ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -106.8) (Command Hallway (123, 126, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:46:41.089] SAY: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) "fucking asshole" (Command Hallway (123, 126, 2))
[2019-08-20 07:47:12.688] ATTACK: CAPTTLasky/(John Gobbel) has cremated ATHATH/(Oganesson IV) (NEWHP: -106.8) (Chapel Office (79, 74, 2))
[I had already given ATHATH a gulag sentence. I knew that the AI was likely subverted. I knew that the permabrig was likely to not be a safe spot. The only proper course of action to deal with a serious repeat offender was execution, and anyone up the chain of security is allowed to do this if the individual is valid. On top of this, the Captain was the one who assisted me in the kill. Given his actions, I geniunely believed he was an antagonist.]
Main Rules:
Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
Under Escalation:
Exceptions: Security is expected not to retaliate with random abuse or violence unless the person in question is otherwise eligible for execution. You can't kill or maim security for trying to arrest you for legitimate reasons.
[Use of a stun weapon is LETHAL. Hard stuns in this game are LETHAL. Attempting to take a baton, stunning an officer, etc. are lethal actions which officers are allowed to respond to with lethal force. When I come across a melee stun weapon, the safest option to protect my life is to engage from range with lethals. This is what I did. Note that I did NOT do this the first time as I generally give people the benefit of the doubt. ATHATH was under arrest for legitimate reasons, and his retaliation with stun weaponry multiple times led me to believe he was an antagonist.]
Security Policy & Precedents:
Rule 1 of the main rules apply to security. The only exception is that security is generally considered to be armed with non-lethal methods to control a situation. Therefore, where reasonably possible, security is expected to use non-lethal methods first in a conflict before escalating to lethal methods.
[Same as before, stuns are lethal. I attempted to use non-lethal methods (arresting via stunbaton) before I escalated to lethals]
The 'act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4. Make sure players deserve it when you treat them as an antag, when in doubt, err on the side of caution as poor behaviour on the part of security will not be tolerated.
[I think we can clearly see that ATHATH was acting like an antag here and that I as an officer had every right to treat him like an antagonist. Just based off of the laws he broke:
101 Resisting Arrest (multiple counts)
107 Vandalism (when he broke into the HoP's office)
301 Assault, Deadly Weapon (Twice with defib paddles)
302 Assault, Officer (Myself)
306 Inciting a Riot (Common channel talk)
309 Major Trespass (Two Counts, HoP's office. Assuming the mime wanted him there (shouldn't have) One count)
310 B&E Restricted (First time breaking into HoP's Office)
408 Grand Theft (Hypospray, All Access the first time, All Access the second time)
There was plenty of IC justification for execution. I was the HoS. I was witness to all of these crimes. I found confirmed traitor objectives on his person not of his job. I was assaulted by him twice with stun weaponry. A suspected antagonist aided him while he was fighting me.]
While handling the ticket, space law was cited as a reason why I should not have executed him despite all of these things and despite the fact that I became the HoS. Even as a Security Officer, Space Law is a guideline and not an absolute. The server rules are much more important. Space Law is not the rules of the server.
From the Space Law page:
The rules and regulations herein are not absolutes, instead they exist to serve mainly as guidelines for the law and order of the dynamic situations that exist for stations on the frontiers of space, as such some leeway is permitted.
Common Practice for security is that after multiple attempts on an officer's life or after repeats of a broken law, the prisoner in question is executed. I do not do this for normal players, I try to give them more than one extra chance. I did so with ATHATH and was assaulted again, thus the cremation. I have done this many, many, many times across my playtime as Security with absolutely zero issue. If the AI was not subverted, I would have considered borging. I had already given a gulag sentence. I could not rely on permabrig being secure. These are the reasons why he was executed.
Why you think this note should be removed: I believe that I was acting fully within escalation and within the capabilities of my position at the time that I cremated the virologist (Officer or not). He had broken many serious laws across the entirety of the shift, had attacked me with stun weapons more than once, and was obviously prepared to continue breaking the law after. He had stolen the hypospray on top of this, which marked him as a very, very likely antagonist. During my bwoink, I had forgotten that the Captain had watched me drag the corpse off to the cremator, which I believe shows his consent to the matter (regardless of the fact I was in my right to cremate him anyways). I also forgot by the time the round ended that the individual had the hypospray in his backpack.
For all intents and purposes, the individual was acting like an antagonist, and what I have seen as a normal, measured, and reasonable approach at that stage given my hundred plus hours playing head of security was execution. He was given multiple chances to stop and he responded with violence. I think that this note, while marked as neutral, paints me in a negative light and as a validhunter who jumps the gun when I was only doing what was reasonable in that situation. I believe that the individual who was cremated was attempting to deceive the admin in question with half truths that painted them as a victim when they were not, and that the individual fully understood the repercussions of his actions. I may even go so far as to say that given their clearly antagonistic behaviour and omitting of facts indicates that he was attempting to banbait me (albeit very, very poorly). This individual proceeding to tell half-thruths in OOC and in discord after the round is lying and malicious. I would like to see this note completely removed as I was not breaking any rules nor towing the line.