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Sometinyprick wrote:to clear up something here
if you break into someones workplace antagonize them and then let yourself be beaten to crit and you then succumb and ahelp afterwords you will be banned for ban baiting.
Lazengann wrote:He didn't ahelp
Istoprocent1 wrote:Lazengann wrote:He didn't ahelp
Then its a bit more messed up. Admin decides on taking action without anybody requesting it, makes what seems to be a clear mistake, player still gets punished.
As for the policy there could be two possible solutions:
1. Succuming = Forfeiting. Once somebody succumbs, they should not be allowed to ahelp as well as not count towards any other possible actions (ie. 5 guys get critted, they all succumb, they should not count towards any punishments due to succumbing).
2. Remove "succumb" verb altogether to avoid confusion.
Lazengann wrote:Istoprocent1 wrote:Lazengann wrote:He didn't ahelp
Then its a bit more messed up. Admin decides on taking action without anybody requesting it, makes what seems to be a clear mistake, player still gets punished.
As for the policy there could be two possible solutions:
1. Succuming = Forfeiting. Once somebody succumbs, they should not be allowed to ahelp as well as not count towards any other possible actions (ie. 5 guys get critted, they all succumb, they should not count towards any punishments due to succumbing).
2. Remove "succumb" verb altogether to avoid confusion.
no those are dumb sometimes you're just screwed and it's time to skip to being a ghost
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?
confused rock wrote:Shadowflame, someone dragged to maint and left to die is left to die, regardless if they survive. If you space someone and they’re lucky enough to loop around and hit arrivals, you still spaced them.
Agux909 wrote:In my opinion, dying, not dying, "forfeiting" or not: These shouldn't be decisive points about someone getting punished or not. The context, actions and apparent motives of someone leading to X situation should be, and their demeanor when being called out for it.
Agux909 wrote:Why should rule enforcers be influenced by the specific victim's thoughts about it?
Cobby wrote:if the body is being hidden you should still not succumb until you've spoke with the admin first.
Getting spaced should be considered trying to hide the body, that was just a bad ruling (or it's being oversimplified here).
deedubya wrote:If the act of them putting you in crit in the first place was ahelpable to begin with, you succumbing should make no difference to the punishment the offending player receives. The only argument I'd make for it is that if you choose to succumb extremely early and ahelp it, you should also cop a warning/ban for baiting. It's pretty obvious when someone does it just to try and beef up their incoming ahelp. But that wouldn't change the fact that the act that put you into crit was ahelpable to begin with, if applicable.
Reyn wrote:deedubya wrote:If the act of them putting you in crit in the first place was ahelpable to begin with, you succumbing should make no difference to the punishment the offending player receives. The only argument I'd make for it is that if you choose to succumb extremely early and ahelp it, you should also cop a warning/ban for baiting. It's pretty obvious when someone does it just to try and beef up their incoming ahelp. But that wouldn't change the fact that the act that put you into crit was ahelpable to begin with, if applicable.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but, What you're getting at is...
If someone succumbs because they know they wont get assistance, or if the death wasn't valid to occur anyways, IE, Put in hardcrit and left to bleed out by some random greytider, It's not the succumbers fault as long as they can reasonably bet that person wont heal them without looting them
If someone is put in crit in a normal fight or is accidentally critted, and succumbs before they have a chance to determine if the person was valid in doing it, if they're going to heal them, or if there's any chance of rescue, INENTIONALLY to make just a crit into a kill, then its the succumbers fault to try to bolster their ahelp, but if the incident which put them in crit is ahelpable, it's to be ahelped, just with a grain of salt.
Circumstance matters, and, If I interpereted you correctly, I agree for the most part. I've occasionally succumbed because I was left to bleed out.
teepeepee wrote:isn't the succumb verb and whispering a last word logged differently anyways?
Lazengann wrote:The next question will be "who did ahelp" answer is nobody
Lastly, the only reason I started watching (which I informed you) is that after a minor spat with the AI you cut all cameras in the brig, then started arguing with the AI to the point I got asked to watch you for shittery. You tiptoed all round, and as an admin I personally disagree with how you conduct yourself as a player in a security position. It was a difficult decision to press this issue into a note, but I stand by it as a marker for your consistent borderline behavior.
terranaut wrote:i saw this video before it was posted here
you too can be cool like me if you just subscribe to imsxz youtube channel
Arianya wrote:no, not the snails, shut up imsxz
Nervore wrote:I am going to will you out of existence, Imsxz.
One day, you will just cease to exist.
imsxz wrote:p.s. keep last whisper but make it trigger on death instead of forcing succumb. or don't, because fuck suicide bombers.
imsxz wrote:succumbing is a shitty verb that should probably get removed anyways, given how simple it is to abuse and the drastic consequences it can have on the succumber and the person that would have benefited from them NOT dying, but that isn't a policy issue.
skoglol wrote:imsxz wrote:succumbing is a shitty verb that should probably get removed anyways, given how simple it is to abuse and the drastic consequences it can have on the succumber and the person that would have benefited from them NOT dying, but that isn't a policy issue.
Remember https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/41961 ?
terranaut wrote:i saw this video before it was posted here
you too can be cool like me if you just subscribe to imsxz youtube channel
Arianya wrote:no, not the snails, shut up imsxz
Nervore wrote:I am going to will you out of existence, Imsxz.
One day, you will just cease to exist.
Naloac wrote:Since you have asked for a *community opinion* and im the player voted admin. Ill give you my official opinion straight from the *community* Your fucking retarded
skoglol wrote:imsxz wrote:succumbing is a shitty verb that should probably get removed anyways, given how simple it is to abuse and the drastic consequences it can have on the succumber and the person that would have benefited from them NOT dying, but that isn't a policy issue.
Remember https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/41961 ?
imsxz wrote:skoglol wrote:imsxz wrote:succumbing is a shitty verb that should probably get removed anyways, given how simple it is to abuse and the drastic consequences it can have on the succumber and the person that would have benefited from them NOT dying, but that isn't a policy issue.
Remember https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/41961 ?
i feel itd be easier to get people to agree with a full removal of succumbing
Nervere wrote:Succumbing to your wounds means you don't have a right to ahelp the conflict, and the person who attacked you won't be punished.
You're not confused on precedent, Rock. If anything, it's the headmins.
Ayy Lemoh wrote:I hate death whisper because I find it annoying when one second you can whisper and the next causes instadeath. Death whispering is kinda cool besides that.
I'd hate it even more if it caused me to deal with banbait as either an admin or player though.
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