Remove rule 8
- oranges
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Remove rule 8
poorly written and encourages admin overreach
refocus it to explicitly be banning ERP between players
refocus it to explicitly be banning ERP between players
- Capsandi
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Re: Remove rule 8
Agreed, Rule 8 is a terrible middle ground which only serves to tempt ban-happy admins to pass out flimsy bans. Either ban all RP or allow all RP. This gray area of ERP-RP will get many innocent Manuelites removed from TG. I have a theory that this rule was only made to quell Manuel's vibrant and diverse culture. Once I was validhunting cultists in dorms, and an admin had a GALL to bwoink me because I took a short detour to spew a few paragraphs at a catgirl in dorms 4. I have appealed the note 7 times and each time I get an answer summing up to "Sorry sicko, rule 8 and all!". Well guess what? Rule 8 is poorly worded, and a RP words ban would do a better job than a ban on this so called 'ERP'
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
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Re: Remove rule 8
Just for the sake of having it here-
I'm of the opinion that creepy could be dropped from this altogether and have no impact on how effectively the rule communicates what type of behavior isn't acceptable.Erotic/creepy stuff is not allowed.
No form of erotic roleplay is allowed on the servers, including things that could be construed as sexual by unwilling participants.
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Re: Remove rule 8
Someone watching you from maint could be considered creepy. Like why's that guy there, what's he doing, I'm feeling creeped out.ArcaneDefence wrote:Just for the sake of having it here-I'm of the opinion that creepy could be dropped from this altogether and have no impact on how effectively the rule communicates what type of behavior isn't acceptable.Erotic/creepy stuff is not allowed.
No form of erotic roleplay is allowed on the servers, including things that could be construed as sexual by unwilling participants.
The word creepy doesn't really carry much weight, its a feeling of unpleasantness and unease, in a game where those things just exist.
Erotic covers all the bases on its own without creepy being attached, right? Maybe the intended term is perversion or something.
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Re: Remove rule 8
I assume creepy is someone like, asking for your underwear or something
Still sexual covers it, so I think we're safe dropping that word alone
Still sexual covers it, so I think we're safe dropping that word alone
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Re: Remove rule 8
Yeah sure honestly. If someone's doing something truly bad like kidnapping and trying to do sexual things to people in maint then we can still bonk them for it. TG is not an attractive server for ERP and I doubt that relaxing this rule will cause much trouble. Removing it entirely might cause problems, but we'll see.
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- wesoda25
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Re: Remove rule 8
Sounds better tbh, ban wise it would mostly stay the same but would disallow more edge cases from happening. Creepy should be taken in a sexual manner I think, which the current rules implies but doesn’t explicitly state, so wouldn’t hurt from it being reworded.
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Re: Remove rule 8
I've run into some shit has creeped me the fuck out that isn't necessarily explicitly ERP but was downright fucking disturbing and not too far off from being sexual, which is the stuff rule 8 definitely keeps away from the server. We had a rule 8 ban very recently that covers this somewhat as an example.
I think rule 8 covers enough gray area to let an admin be able to make sound judgements on what falls under it, and it is explicit enough that ERP isn't allowed. It's removal will probably invite more trouble than what it prevents.
I think rule 8 covers enough gray area to let an admin be able to make sound judgements on what falls under it, and it is explicit enough that ERP isn't allowed. It's removal will probably invite more trouble than what it prevents.
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Re: Remove rule 8
Yeah, this rule seems "too loose".oranges wrote:poorly written and encourages admin overreach
refocus it to explicitly be banning ERP between players
A player "MEing" something about the character farting on someone else's face, peeing over, shitting, etc... would be totally eschatological, may cause grief and isn't sexual/eroticism. (And if it's creepy is open to interpretation. Is it "creepy"? Most woudln't necessarily think it is.)
Another "MEing" that their character look possessed or speaking an absurdity like that "they are Cthulhu's acolyte, they do eat brains every day and that they do must murder the entire crew" would be totally creepy by the very definition of the word.
But would it fall under this rule?
Then someone else is "MEing" their character is kissing someone else, or they do speak about being in love, ...
Or let's say we have two players with characters who are going for the chaplain to marry them.
Is this sort of thing to fall under this rule?
Interpretations are problematic.
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Re: Remove rule 8
this is a joke thread about rule 11 for people who havent noticed
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There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: Remove rule 8
*me shamefully taps backspace as entire chapters disappear under the cursorNot-Dorsidarf wrote:this is a joke thread about rule 11 for people who havent noticed
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Re: Remove rule 8
it's not a joke, kind of embarrassing you would think that.
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Re: Remove rule 8
Keep it as is. NecromancerAnne summed it up pretty well. I haven't seen any overreaching cases, could you post examples of cases where you believe admins where overreaching?
- Arcanemusic
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Re: Remove rule 8
I've had exactly one time I've had to use and justify the use of rule 8, and in doing so I felt like the wording to rule 8 was beneficial.
Specifically, a player was harassing another player who ahelped over the situation, stalking them with a camera as a non-antag with a camera console. One time a person walked past them and they PDA'd the harassed player saying that "I had that guy steal some of your hair". Claiming that they're going to watch them sleep and take blood samples from them, really gross personal conduct.
Explicitly blocking Sexual content is the intent of the goal, and I think we can all agree we don't want the server to be a gross sex pit. However, also blocking what I could best describe as "Creepy Fetish Shit" is also a useful extension of this rule. It might just work as an anti-harassment measure when someone's intentionally acting like a pest, but making that clearer in the rules as written is a fair objective.
Specifically, a player was harassing another player who ahelped over the situation, stalking them with a camera as a non-antag with a camera console. One time a person walked past them and they PDA'd the harassed player saying that "I had that guy steal some of your hair". Claiming that they're going to watch them sleep and take blood samples from them, really gross personal conduct.
Explicitly blocking Sexual content is the intent of the goal, and I think we can all agree we don't want the server to be a gross sex pit. However, also blocking what I could best describe as "Creepy Fetish Shit" is also a useful extension of this rule. It might just work as an anti-harassment measure when someone's intentionally acting like a pest, but making that clearer in the rules as written is a fair objective.
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Re: Remove rule 8
That falls under rule 1
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Re: Remove rule 8
If every rule 8 discussion thread is taken as a joke there can be no meaningful discussion on rule 8 so from here on out regardless of whether you think it's a real discussion or not let's treat it like one for the sake of discussing policy
- Capsandi
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Re: Remove rule 8
This was a joke thread?
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
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Re: Remove rule 8
If we remove that, we need to re-write the rule in a way that more reflects what we consider to be creepy. Just removing the creepy part really neuters our ability to handle weirdos that toe the line.
Changing it would be a concern if we'd ever seen it misused or any cases of overreaching. Nobody seems to be able to provide examples.
Changing it would be a concern if we'd ever seen it misused or any cases of overreaching. Nobody seems to be able to provide examples.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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- Pandarsenic
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Re: Remove rule 8
It seems like what no creepy stuff is supposed to mean is "don't make it weird, don't be creepy, don't toe the line with sexual shit, understand the difference between jokes like the AI spamming 'moth feet' on vox and being a creepy motherfucker by going to all the moths in your department with a camera and asking for feet pics from them, etc."
And it seems like it's pretty reliably enforced as such and hasn't caused any real problems?
And it seems like it's pretty reliably enforced as such and hasn't caused any real problems?
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Re: Remove rule 8
Rule 7 exists.Vekter wrote:If we remove that, we need to re-write the rule in a way that more reflects what we consider to be creepy. Just removing the creepy part really neuters our ability to handle weirdos that toe the line.
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