high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
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high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
laser guns are garbage against mobs that move and take more than 5 shots to kill
batons are 1 and done, we're right back to where we started
batons are 1 and done, we're right back to where we started
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
Space Dragons do be that way
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
Baton is the best weapon don't get me wrong, but once someone starts attacking you with ranged weaponry your batong becomes much less useful, you have to engage back with ranged or they can easily zone you out and stamcrit/kill you. I guess the exception is when you're in maint and by the time you see the other person they're already in melee distance.
High HP mobs aren't a big deal but I do wish sec had options other than just red laserbeam. Stun weapons have a lot of variety - pepperspray, teargas, flashbang, flashes, baton, disabler, etc... But sec lethals shiftstart? Just basically red laserbeams. Shotguns are useless without investing time into handcrafting rounds. Doesn't make sense an improvised round made with wire, metal, and a screwdriver would be better than anything the lathe could make even after heavy R&D.
I suppose you have the sec autorifles but I'm more speaking about what starts out in the armory. I wouldn't consider it a bad plan to spend 1/4 of the sec budget on autorifles shiftstart just so you have a decent ranged lethal option that isn't red laserbeam.
tl;dr: bring back buckshot and slugs except nerf them to the point where you feel they aren't too OP. They should obviously be better than laserguns just due to scarcity and being like 3x as expensive, but no need to nuke them from the game.
High HP mobs aren't a big deal but I do wish sec had options other than just red laserbeam. Stun weapons have a lot of variety - pepperspray, teargas, flashbang, flashes, baton, disabler, etc... But sec lethals shiftstart? Just basically red laserbeams. Shotguns are useless without investing time into handcrafting rounds. Doesn't make sense an improvised round made with wire, metal, and a screwdriver would be better than anything the lathe could make even after heavy R&D.
I suppose you have the sec autorifles but I'm more speaking about what starts out in the armory. I wouldn't consider it a bad plan to spend 1/4 of the sec budget on autorifles shiftstart just so you have a decent ranged lethal option that isn't red laserbeam.
tl;dr: bring back buckshot and slugs except nerf them to the point where you feel they aren't too OP. They should obviously be better than laserguns just due to scarcity and being like 3x as expensive, but no need to nuke them from the game.
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
If everything got nerfed so hard that the stun meta came back. Can we nerf stuns and bring back adrenals
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
slugs have no place in the game. keeping shotguns to close range weaponry with high burst is a unique and decent identity IMO.sinfulbliss wrote:Baton is the best weapon don't get me wrong, but once someone starts attacking you with ranged weaponry your batong becomes much less useful, you have to engage back with ranged or they can easily zone you out and stamcrit/kill you. I guess the exception is when you're in maint and by the time you see the other person they're already in melee distance.
High HP mobs aren't a big deal but I do wish sec had options other than just red laserbeam. Stun weapons have a lot of variety - pepperspray, teargas, flashbang, flashes, baton, disabler, etc... But sec lethals shiftstart? Just basically red laserbeams. Shotguns are useless without investing time into handcrafting rounds. Doesn't make sense an improvised round made with wire, metal, and a screwdriver would be better than anything the lathe could make even after heavy R&D.
I suppose you have the sec autorifles but I'm more speaking about what starts out in the armory. I wouldn't consider it a bad plan to spend 1/4 of the sec budget on autorifles shiftstart just so you have a decent ranged lethal option that isn't red laserbeam.
tl;dr: bring back buckshot and slugs except nerf them to the point where you feel they aren't too OP. They should obviously be better than laserguns just due to scarcity and being like 3x as expensive, but no need to nuke them from the game.
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
slugs definetly have a place in the game as an anti-low armor high alpha damage projectile type
the problem is that they are too versatile and overpowered
make them really shit against hardsuits/regular armor and we’re fine. make them slower reloading too
the problem is that they are too versatile and overpowered
make them really shit against hardsuits/regular armor and we’re fine. make them slower reloading too
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
slugs have no place in the game. keeping shotguns to close range weaponry with high burst is a unique and decent identity IMO.[/quote]
you know what else is high brust in close range? dual wield
you know what else is high brust in close range? dual wield
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
u cant even dual wield when ur right next to someone because ur on harm intent
also carrying 2 bulky laser guns lol
also carrying 2 bulky laser guns lol
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
Wha? Sure you can, you just aim past them instead of clicking on them. Dual wielded disablers can fuck someone up quick.imsxz wrote:u cant even dual wield when ur right next to someone because ur on harm intent
also carrying 2 bulky laser guns lol
Keeping shotguns as high damage close range guns makes sense but seems to me like if you can have autorifles do 20 brute per bullet damage at a limitless range with basically no reload or ammo cost at all, then shotguns should at least get some sort of love.
The bigger problem is that to even get lethal ammo you have to make it yourself. Might as well just readd buckshot at that point except in the form of improvised shells.
The fact the only other lethal option besides laserguns doesn’t have lethal ammo in the armory is kinda wack.
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
I haven't been so much as tickled by a shotgun for awhile now
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
reduce HP, continue to remove stuns.
I am 100% okay with traitors getting dumpstered by security at close range, not a single moment of sleep lost that's absolutely what I want.
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edit: there is not a single circumstance in which I would ever return stuns and slugs, period.
if I continue to see discussions like this I will just remove the space dragon event wholesale.
I am 100% okay with traitors getting dumpstered by security at close range, not a single moment of sleep lost that's absolutely what I want.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
edit: there is not a single circumstance in which I would ever return stuns and slugs, period.
if I continue to see discussions like this I will just remove the space dragon event wholesale.
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Re: high HP mobs with stun immunity don't have many threats, stuns are too punishing against traitors
why tho >:(oranges wrote:edit: there is not a single circumstance in which I would ever return stuns and slugs, period
do it or noballsoranges wrote:if I continue to see discussions like this I will just remove the space dragon event wholesale.
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