toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
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- Imitates-The-Lizards
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toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Peanut thread for: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=32753
If you ask me, regardless of if toemas' ban is justified or not, I would issue a perma to Seth Deces for those lines toemas put under "damning evidence". That screams "Intentionally lagged the server" to me, along with joking about DDOS, and clear intent.
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If you ask me, regardless of if toemas' ban is justified or not, I would issue a perma to Seth Deces for those lines toemas put under "damning evidence". That screams "Intentionally lagged the server" to me, along with joking about DDOS, and clear intent.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
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Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Considering who Seth Decas is, I really don't think it was an accident.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Out of his last 7 rounds 4 of them he created this weird super condensed condenser(pic), one round he shift start suicided and one round I think he might've just dropped it instead of throwing it because he does break into sci pretty early. Now I don't know dick all about the back end so this could be nothing but it seems to coincide with people crying about lag and there is atleast one case of someone just straight out blaming Seth's lag machine.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
the condenser of godsBoot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:35 pm Out of his last 7 rounds 4 of them he created this weird super condensed condenser(pic), one round he shift start suicided and one round I think he might've just dropped it instead of throwing it because he does break into sci pretty early. Now I don't know dick all about the back end so this could be nothing but it seems to coincide with people crying about lag and there is atleast one case of someone just straight out blaming Seth's lag machine.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Lagger plasma flooder deserves the doom he created. IC issue IMO
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- Archie700
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Is it an ic issue if it affected everyone on the server?
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
He means IC issue referring to Phillip throwing him into the fire, which shouldn't have been punished.
I played that round and saw, pointed at, grabbed and threw those things he made a couple of times. It already was spamming and covering all my whole chat window. Pretty nasty.
I played that round and saw, pointed at, grabbed and threw those things he made a couple of times. It already was spamming and covering all my whole chat window. Pretty nasty.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
It's not an IC Issue since this was directly the result of Seth fucking with lag, this should have been resolved by Seth being banned, Philip did nothing wrong.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Yeah I didn't say otherwise. Agreed
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
ok hold on a momentThe super ridiculous condenser chain from the round prior got somebody into trouble (we are paying attention).
Hoolny ahelped and cleared his condenser chain with me this time before using it. I used the server profiler to confirm that it wouldn't be an issue. I don't know what the upper bound is, but whatever he'd put together that shift, it wasn't a problem.
Given that he'd ahelped prior to make sure he wasn't affecting the server, it makes it somewhat obvious to me that he was in toxins to experiment with the efficacy of condenser cooling. The chat logs reaffirm this.
He had his toxins moment, I would've been cool with you demoting him (or killing him and sending to medbay) (or both!), but you opted to throw him (while you had him cuffed) into the fire as a nonantagonist, husking him, and nearly leading to his corpse being completely ashed, a-la plasmaman.
Full relevant logs (1, 2)
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05:08:03 WHISPER Hoolny/(Seth Deces) "stop beign afucking dick" (185, 105, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:04 WHISPER Hoolny/(Seth Deces) "accidents" (185, 105, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:05 WHISPER Hoolny/(Seth Deces) "happen" (185, 105, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:07 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) grabbed Hoolny/(Seth Deces) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -26.6) (184, 104, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:07 WHISPER Hoolny/(Seth Deces) "and im dying" (185, 105, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:07 WHISPER Hoolny/(Seth Deces) "right now" (185, 105, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:09 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) thrown Hoolny/(Seth Deces) grab from tile in Ordnance Office (184,104,4) towards tile at Ordnance Lab (185,101,3) (NEWHP: -30.3) (184, 104, 4) Ordnance Office 05:08:33 ATTACK Hoolny/(Seth Deces) has died (BRUTE: 67.18, BURN: 137.6, TOX: 16, OXY: 6.66667, CLONE: 0) (185, 100, 3) Ordnance Lab
why wasn't Hoolny transferred to the thunderdome to do that
why wasn't anyone alerted early on when you knew that lag was caused because of a condenser chain
why did you even allow him to do it on station
- Agux909
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This is honestly complaint material. Or it'd be if it wasn't Brick, I'm sure he'll come around soon enough.
Like, how is any player supposed to know about the interaction between Scriptis and Hoolny? It's completely irrelevant. Thomas saw Seth causing lag (and the logs show people were actually reacting to lag, so IT DID AFFECT THE ROUND) and his department set on fire because of Seth's gizmo. His reaction might'be been a bit exaggerated but undeserving of punishment given the circumstance Thomas interpreted, AS A PLAYER.
Like, how is any player supposed to know about the interaction between Scriptis and Hoolny? It's completely irrelevant. Thomas saw Seth causing lag (and the logs show people were actually reacting to lag, so IT DID AFFECT THE ROUND) and his department set on fire because of Seth's gizmo. His reaction might'be been a bit exaggerated but undeserving of punishment given the circumstance Thomas interpreted, AS A PLAYER.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
why was this ban made, why is this around, this is pitiful
seth and thomas are both bad faith griefer losers that should have been banned years ago
seth and thomas are both bad faith griefer losers that should have been banned years ago
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
to clarify i dont think thomas is in the wrong for killing seth but this is the billionth time some loser ruins the game for others, thomas freaks out on them instead of ahelping, then gets banned for ??? instead of the loser
he's just walking into it at this point
he's just walking into it at this point
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
I remember screwing around with condensers like this on a local host server a year ago. I don't remember it causing any lag so this might be a recent bug?
It keeps getting worse!?
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Philip Thomas
The hero we need, not the one we deserve.
If it wanst causing any lag BUT if the server was laggy at the time then i dont think anyone should be banned. I wouldnt blame someone who sees someone stacking igniters ontop of each other and mistakes it for a lag machine. They also caused a plasma fire which most people would see as lynch material.
I personally vote unban.
The hero we need, not the one we deserve.
If it wanst causing any lag BUT if the server was laggy at the time then i dont think anyone should be banned. I wouldnt blame someone who sees someone stacking igniters ontop of each other and mistakes it for a lag machine. They also caused a plasma fire which most people would see as lynch material.
I personally vote unban.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
“He’s just walking into it at this point”CoffeeDragon16 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:43 pm to clarify i dont think thomas is in the wrong for killing seth but this is the billionth time some loser ruins the game for others, thomas freaks out on them instead of ahelping, then gets banned for ??? instead of the loser
he's just walking into it at this point
My brother in christ there is such a thing as resolving conflicts ICly. You should never be forced to ahelp if you have reasonable ways to resolve them IC.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Why did scriptis approve the device in the first place? It's blatantly an ingame exploit, so theres no point letting him experiment with it because if he ever subsequently used it to cool things he'd face a ban/warning for exploiting a la ATHATH
Also banning someone because they killed someone who made something that looks like a lag machine the round after the server got fucked by an identical lag machine, and uses it to griff the fire alarms & light a fire in their shared workplace? And justifying the ban with "Well you should have known he got permission to make a fake lag machine from the admins so he could use it to test his not-allowed exploits for the seventh round running"?
Also banning someone because they killed someone who made something that looks like a lag machine the round after the server got fucked by an identical lag machine, and uses it to griff the fire alarms & light a fire in their shared workplace? And justifying the ban with "Well you should have known he got permission to make a fake lag machine from the admins so he could use it to test his not-allowed exploits for the seventh round running"?
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
this condenser exploit literally freezes players games whenever used, and seth made multiple remarks about “crashing this station” the time he was talking about condensers
as if to prove a point about how it’s an exploit, he makes a github issue then immediately starts using it
unban toemas he was literally in the right here
as if to prove a point about how it’s an exploit, he makes a github issue then immediately starts using it
unban toemas he was literally in the right here
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
It's pretty clear Toemas would have known... if he had ahelped, which is what he should have done in this situation.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:03 pm And justifying the ban with "Well you should have known he got permission to make a fake lag machine from the admins so he could use it to test his not-allowed exploits for the seventh round running"?
I hope this doesn't get overturned, this was a good ban.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This perspective is really bad because it assumes you’re not allowed to seek IC retribution without ahelping first. You should never be forced to ahelp if you have valid IC options open to you. Players can only be expected to act on the info they have IC.Tearling wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:00 pmIt's pretty clear Toemas would have known... if he had ahelped, which is what he should have done in this situation.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:03 pm And justifying the ban with "Well you should have known he got permission to make a fake lag machine from the admins so he could use it to test his not-allowed exploits for the seventh round running"?
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Wait so Seth was abusing a system he knew to lag the server multiple times after saying as much publicly AND Brick gave it the go ahead even after the issue report?
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This entire situation is stupid.
Why was Seth building a lag machine that he had already issue reported?
Why did Brick give him permission to do so?
Why did toemas try to solve an OOC issue with IC retribution?
Every involved party screwed up, the problem with toemas' punishment is that only toemas has been punished for the shitshow.
Why was Seth building a lag machine that he had already issue reported?
Why did Brick give him permission to do so?
Why did toemas try to solve an OOC issue with IC retribution?
Every involved party screwed up, the problem with toemas' punishment is that only toemas has been punished for the shitshow.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
It seems intended that condensers can cause freezes
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
No it's not, at all, whatsoever. I fully encourage IC retribution for IC problems! If they break the server rules you should not seek IC retribution first, and ahelp later. If you assume they are breaking the rules, and kill them, you run the risk of this exact situation, where it turns out they weren't breaking the rules. It's not up to players to determine who's breaking the rules or not, I'm baffled you would think it is.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:14 pmThis perspective is really bad because it assumes you’re not allowed to seek IC retribution without ahelping first. You should never be forced to ahelp if you have valid IC options open to you.
This is not an excuse in this situation. Toemas, playing as Phillip Thomas, was an assistant turned scientist. Not security, not a detective. As a promoted assistant, with the situation completely under control, with the griefer in his eyes cuffed, he threw them into the plasmafire. For, according to Toemas himself:sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:14 pm Players can only be expected to act on the info they have IC.
Toemas wrote:I was going to just assume good faith and let him go when he called me a dickhead and i was just like "whatever screw this guy" and tossed him into the inferno.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This is kinda goofposting, but why are you guys (admins) just letting this guy poke at lag machines constantly? You used to ban people for doing em even if it was a meme, like the old hug bronze boots thing.
Like I do not like seth, but he's just being a jackass about this, even in the issue report. You don't make a lag machine once, and then repeat it round on round for.... reasons?
I know what happen here wasn't that, and brick thought it was at a level where it wouldn't lag, but bro why
Like I do not like seth, but he's just being a jackass about this, even in the issue report. You don't make a lag machine once, and then repeat it round on round for.... reasons?
I know what happen here wasn't that, and brick thought it was at a level where it wouldn't lag, but bro why
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
this was the kind of shit that would get you banned a few years back if you decided to just. keep doing it. repeatedly, knowing full well it causes absurd client lag for some people and it's flabbergasting to me that this is a ban being put in place when seth was in the wrong for multiple reasonsTheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:35 am This is kinda goofposting, but why are you guys (admins) just letting this guy poke at lag machines constantly? You used to ban people for doing em even if it was a meme, like the old hug bronze boots thing.
Like I do not like seth, but he's just being a jackass about this, even in the issue report. You don't make a lag machine once, and then repeat it round on round for.... reasons?
I know what happen here wasn't that, and brick thought it was at a level where it wouldn't lag, but bro why
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
It was known that the condenser spam was lagging everyone. Sometimes some griefers are just too much, especially if they are causing lag which becomes an OOC issue, and hinders roleplaying. Obvious griefer is obvious, and players should be free to do whatever it takes to stop the griefer from ruining everyone's experience. I do recommend ahelping as well in such situations.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
he WAS breaking the rules. scriptis may have, for whatever reason, gave him permission to do so, but he was actively going around using a lag machine to grief people; as evidenced by the logs and HIS own words
- Archie700
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
The literal problem with this is how would anyone know what Seth did was approved by Scriptis without any context
Were it NOT approved, would Thomas be banned for removing someone who deliberately griefed the server and would be banned anyway
Were it NOT approved, would Thomas be banned for removing someone who deliberately griefed the server and would be banned anyway
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
I would like to raise the point that Scriptis might not have given the go-ahead on a lag machine for lag's sake, and that he might have given permission for an air-cooling experiment that could cause lag as a side effect.
From Scriptis' perspective, Hoolny could have appeared as if he were committing atmos-witchcraft/autism that might lag the server and had asked for permission out of consideration of other players.
I find this perspective somewhat more believable to Hoolny asking "Hey can I lag the shit out of the server?" and Scriptis going, "Sure, I love turn-based videogames."
Then, for the damning evidence.
This is in deadchat, simultaneously making it metaknowledge if used IC scenarios and comes off as more of a joke than an admission of intentionally lagging the server.
Overall, the more I look at the logs the farther away from the narrative of toemas having any grounds to execute Hoolny on.
Toemas' admission he wasn't there for the plasma fire in toxins, toemas confronting Hoolny in xenobio and Hoolny insisting that he had no idea how the plasma fire in toxins occurred, etc.
Seems like toemas saw Hoolny set up some condenser contraption, both of them left, toemas found toxins to be a plasma fire, grabbed Hoolny from xenobio, blamed him for the mess and threw him in, using a metaknowledged statement from dchat as justification that Hoolny was exploiting condensers as a lag machine and then trying to R4 him because lag-machine exploiting is indicative of an antag despite being something that not even antags are allowed to do.
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I find this perspective somewhat more believable to Hoolny asking "Hey can I lag the shit out of the server?" and Scriptis going, "Sure, I love turn-based videogames."
Then, for the damning evidence.
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Overall, the more I look at the logs the farther away from the narrative of toemas having any grounds to execute Hoolny on.
Toemas' admission he wasn't there for the plasma fire in toxins, toemas confronting Hoolny in xenobio and Hoolny insisting that he had no idea how the plasma fire in toxins occurred, etc.
Seems like toemas saw Hoolny set up some condenser contraption, both of them left, toemas found toxins to be a plasma fire, grabbed Hoolny from xenobio, blamed him for the mess and threw him in, using a metaknowledged statement from dchat as justification that Hoolny was exploiting condensers as a lag machine and then trying to R4 him because lag-machine exploiting is indicative of an antag despite being something that not even antags are allowed to do.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This does not excuse not informing the players of what Hoolny was about to do, or that it was already known it causes lag on the basis of it happening before, or the fact that to even do that you would have to have an unrealistic amount of condensers in the same stack.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Can we ahelp this shit right now?
ahelp: hey Vekter, there's tons of evidence that Seth Deces spent several shifts knowingly, willingly, and intentionally creating lag machines in this thread and ban appeal. Can you look into it and maybe ban the guy? Thanks
ahelp: hey Vekter, there's tons of evidence that Seth Deces spent several shifts knowingly, willingly, and intentionally creating lag machines in this thread and ban appeal. Can you look into it and maybe ban the guy? Thanks
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
I'm far from fond of toemas, but even I can tell this is a bullshit ban.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
i would laugh my ass off if this turned out to be a biased ban
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
If an admin gave him permission to build a lag machine then no, he was not breaking the rules, at least, not for building a lag machine. Make an admin complaint if you think the admin decision was bad, but if an admin tells me "Oh yeah, go ahead and go X" and then I do X, I do not expect to banned for it, would you?
The only way he was breaking the rules by making the lag machine was if he intentionally lied to the admin about it, this is the a fair point by ChristopherRobin.
It's entirely possible that Seth lied through ahelps, though we don't know the full story yet.ChristopherRobin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:32 am I would like to raise the point that Scriptis might not have given the go-ahead on a lag machine for lag's sake, and that he might have given permission for an air-cooling experiment that could cause lag as a side effect.
Speaking of his own words... lets go ahead and use your words against your words.
You were going to assume he was good faith, but because he called you a dickhead, you round removed him.toemas wrote:I was going to just assume good faith and let him go when he called me a dickhead and i was just like "whatever screw this guy" and tossed him into the inferno
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This is only tangentially related to this ban appeal, but I don't think I'll ever understand why so many people are concerned about "round removal" in a roleplaying game that resets every hour. Dying and being gone is part of the story. Seeing a guy get shot in the head hits a lot harder when you realize "oh crap, this guy's actually dead as a doornail and I could be next".
Not to mention, a person's total obliteration often lend themselves to better comedic/dramatic timing than a slow, drawn out butchering process.
Not to mention, a person's total obliteration often lend themselves to better comedic/dramatic timing than a slow, drawn out butchering process.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Personally I think that regardless of whether you have permission, griefing the server should be punished by death if the other players catch you, just like if the admin gives you permission to kill people that doesnt stop the crew from lynching you for killing the clown.
Getting secret hidden OOC approval to be a shithead should only be a defense against OOC retribution.
Getting secret hidden OOC approval to be a shithead should only be a defense against OOC retribution.
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There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Play silly games win silly prizes. While Thomas isn't a stellar player generally I feel like using the ic knowledge he had and believing some asshole burnt down his department and is actively lagging the server it seems valid to burn the shitter to a crisp on LRP. While I'm not saying you should take ic action for rule violations and you should always ahelp situations, it feels justified in this case because of sufficient IC reasons imo.
It's like people reading rule 8 violating stuff on comms, would I ahelp him? Yes. Would i also toss them out of an airlock? Yes.
Experiments that are likely to lag the server should be directed to the how to run a SS13 server page for local experimentation.
It's like people reading rule 8 violating stuff on comms, would I ahelp him? Yes. Would i also toss them out of an airlock? Yes.
Experiments that are likely to lag the server should be directed to the how to run a SS13 server page for local experimentation.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
This is an incredible shitshow. Quality peanut.
Big, big question mark here. If you want to test something, spin up a fucking server for it. It's not that hard. The only reason you would test on the server is because you're doing "testing, hehe" where you're getting away with crashing/griefing.Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:24 pm Experiments that are likely to lag the server should be directed to the how to run a SS13 server page for local experimentation.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
I think they both fucked up here. Scriptis probably should've put Seth on Thunderdome or otherwise isolated him so he didn't lag anyone else and Thomas shouldn't have yeeted Seth for breaking rules without ahelping him first.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
After talking with a few people it seems most don't know how easy it is to host your own copy of tg.
It keeps getting worse!?
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
yes he should have ahelped, but he certainly should not have been punished for not doing that
when a player kills you, you can kill them back or ahelp, and both of those are not issues
when a player lags the game and sets your department on fire, why is it an issue to kill them now
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
I was going to post this in the appeal but it's a bit too peanutty, so here it goes:
I can provide a relevant example of an admin permitting a player to create a setup that would inevitably cause lag in the past:
That was actually uh... Permitted by me. An emitter setup (back when they weren't hitscan) of well in excess of 100 chained emitters that lagged the server and made all projectiles process so slowly, they were practically stationary.
I had to babysit it in order to get that far, and I was pushing all my favourite maintainer buttons and using all my favourite coder techniques to allow it to happen without TOTALLY impacting the rest of the shift.
And yet it still did impact the rest of the shift, and pissed a few people off in the process. One of the people I annoyed by allowing and encouraging it, is our current host vote.
It was done under the MRP ruleset.
Speaking from past experience, if someone had come to lynch the engineer setting up this monstrosity (instead of what actually happened, which was everyone admiring it) I genuinely wouldn't have considered it a rule break.
I think that because this incident with Hoolny wasn't the first time, plus the player was actively testing their new lag machine in a live shift - and not the thunderdome - I would applied Rule 0 to their lynching regardless.
It is probably not in the best interests of the server to ban players that lynch people who cause excessive disruption across multiple shifts with lag machines.
I would have appreciated them being reported via ahelp, however a ban like this feels like it serves little practical purpose. A more nuanced take would offer some leniency towards a player that knows the other person is making or experimenting with lag machines.
I can provide a relevant example of an admin permitting a player to create a setup that would inevitably cause lag in the past:
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I had to babysit it in order to get that far, and I was pushing all my favourite maintainer buttons and using all my favourite coder techniques to allow it to happen without TOTALLY impacting the rest of the shift.
And yet it still did impact the rest of the shift, and pissed a few people off in the process. One of the people I annoyed by allowing and encouraging it, is our current host vote.
It was done under the MRP ruleset.
Speaking from past experience, if someone had come to lynch the engineer setting up this monstrosity (instead of what actually happened, which was everyone admiring it) I genuinely wouldn't have considered it a rule break.
I think that because this incident with Hoolny wasn't the first time, plus the player was actively testing their new lag machine in a live shift - and not the thunderdome - I would applied Rule 0 to their lynching regardless.
It is probably not in the best interests of the server to ban players that lynch people who cause excessive disruption across multiple shifts with lag machines.
I would have appreciated them being reported via ahelp, however a ban like this feels like it serves little practical purpose. A more nuanced take would offer some leniency towards a player that knows the other person is making or experimenting with lag machines.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
i would say that breaking the fabric of reality is a good reason to RR someone
this really shouldnt have been a ban
this really shouldnt have been a ban
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Yes but based off the screenshot you can tell it took that engineer atleast 30mins-1 hour to set up and watching all the beams get shot out in a circle is cool. Watching 50 condensers go off on 1 tile is not cool looking and takes a lot less effort. One is a work of art and the other is lazy boring and adds no value what so ever.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:32 pm I was going to post this in the appeal but it's a bit too peanutty, so here it goes:
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
It took them the entire shift. When they ran out of iron, I told them to tear down walls, chairs and tables to get more. Let nothing stand in their way.
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
Sounds like it was a group project as well
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Re: toemas tosses pseudo-DDOSer into a plasmafire, gets banned by Scriptis
You really going to ignore my ahelp earlier in the thread
How you gonna have time to hop on to Sybil to bwoink me for stealing shoes as an assistant on LRP, but then you see this man creating lag machines the majority of his recent shifts and ain't gonna address it?
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