It has now been about a month since Yobi was banned

[Archie700]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Now I can safely say that he has tried to evade it.

[Vekter]

Quit giving people attention, especially when they're trying too hard to get it.

This applies both to Yobi and Ekat.

Yeah...that attempt at reason was my valedictory. Some people are hopeless.

It's not worth it. Let me give you some advice - click on someone's name, then go to "Add foe".

[The Wrench]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

[ekaterina]

Perma bans dont encourage people to evade, you fuckin moron, because ban evading means your next appeal is immediately going to be thrown in the trash.

Ad hominem, non sequitur. What you wrote is so dumb that it physically hurts to read.
What makes you think everyone who evades even intends to appeal? That consequence is meaningless for people who don't. There's no downside for them.
Second, evading gets you access now. Appealing maybe gets you access in a year or two if the same people who hated you enough to ban you now happen to be feeling generous. Plus, evading gives you the satisfaction of undermining someone who slighted you.
Which of these do you think someone who's been permanently banned is more likely to go for?

Not everyone is a chimp mind with no impulse control like you

The projection is insane.
You, who have been repeatedly banned and almost blacklisted, really said something like this to someone with a squeaky clean forum record?
You, who couldn't resist making a joke about the very same topic you made an admin complaint for?

you keep shrieking about i should be banned a lot for saying things you don't like

When did I ever say you should be banned, much less for saying things I don't like?
I said you almost were banned. This is a statement on past facts, not on what I would like to happen in the future.
Did nobody teach you how to read? You have comprehension this poor and have the gall to insult others' intelligence. The Crag Hypocrisy at play once more, no doubt.

It's human nature to try to escape. Well golly gee let's just eliminate all walls in prison and prison itself for that matter. Let's eliminate penalties for jail breaking too

Ok, Mr. Strawman, nobody said you should make it easier to evade. What I said is that you should expect people to do it.

10/10

How can someone be so bad at logic as to read the verbal diarrhea Crag posted and somehow think it good? It is ridden with fallacies and idiocy.
10/10 is what you should be saying to conrad's beautiful post.

[Vekter]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

I'm going to let you on to a little secret. A little peek behind the curtain, if you will.

I give zero shits about if someone's evading as long as they're obeying the rules. Twobeard could come back tomorrow as a model citizen and I wouldn't care. I would prefer that people successfully appeal their bans before playing again, but if I can't tell you're evading because you're not breaking any rules, then it's irrelevant.

[conrad]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

That is a scalding take and I'm not sure I disagree with it entirely.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Ad hominem, non sequitur. What you wrote is so dumb that it physically hurts to read.

This is the guy who keeps making wall of text posts about my supposed hypocrisy.

If it hurts to read maybe you need glasses.

[ekaterina]

Ad hominem, non sequitur. What you wrote is so dumb that it physically hurts to read.

This is the guy who keeps making wall of text posts about my supposed hypocrisy.

The insinuation you're trying to make being that I did both of those, when I did neither?
In that quote, I called what you wrote dumb. This is an attack on your vitriol, not on you. That said, I can call you dumb too if you'd like. It wouldn't be without merit.
As to the other part, there is no non sequitur in my words nor even a semblance of one.
You really need to fix your logic processing capabilities.

[dirk_mcblade]

Ok, Mr. Strawman, nobody said you should make it easier to evade. What I said is that you should expect people to do it.

But I think people already expect perma ban evaders. That's why there's a set of additional penalties as well as an attempt from the admin team to create the perception that they have methods to catch ban evaders. Your point is essentially meaningless. What do you want people to do differently because of this?

[Super Aggro Crag]

I never said that, and if i did you're taking it out of context, and if you're not then you're misinterpreting it, and if you're not then you're attacking a strawman, and if you aren't then it was rhetorical, and if it wasn't then it was satire, and if its not then i don't even really believe what i said, and if you accuse me of backpedaling its an ad-hominem and then you deserved me saying anyway.

[Capsandi]

Once I saw a burning orphanage and so I ran to help and vekter was already there and a burning child flesh sizzling and all runs out screaming and vekter was holding a fire extinguisher and I told vekter to help them and vekter didn't know who i was talking about and started calling me some polite term of the month for schizophenic all the while this child is running around bones creaking like yule logs as the fatty tissues burst into flames and such and vekter said "just updating my foe list kids get awful annoying in the summer but rule 9 bans are frowned upon these days fr fr."
also to whoever said my rant was AI generated your mind has been rotten by the hype no ai can type nonsequiter bullshit like i do

[Kendrickorium]

Quit giving people attention, especially when they're trying too hard to get it.

This applies both to Yobi and Ekat.

Yeah...that attempt at reason was my valedictory. Some people are hopeless.

It's not worth it. Let me give you some advice - click on someone's name, then go to "Add foe".

what does that even do

[TheRex9001]

Quit giving people attention, especially when they're trying too hard to get it.

This applies both to Yobi and Ekat.

Yeah...that attempt at reason was my valedictory. Some people are hopeless.

It's not worth it. Let me give you some advice - click on someone's name, then go to "Add foe".

what does that even do

Blocks them

[Vekter]

what does that even do

It's like blocking someone on Discord, it collapses their message so you don't have to see it unless you want to.

[dendydoom]

i already defined what the Ekat Defence™ is and seeing it play out every time is beautiful.

it gets so exhausting being right all the time about everything...

the sad thing is that when ekat actually presents a fair and moderate stance on something i find myself agreeing at least in part with it most of the time, and when i don't i can at least see where they're coming from. seeing this high school debate club contrarian nonsense is sincerely disappointing every time because they've demonstrated that they can exist outside of the larp and their contributions to discussion are infinitely better when they do.

everyone else may have written you off ekat, but i will always hold onto that small sliver of hope that you'll stop giving into this bafflingly specious and eristic sophistry every time an admin makes a decision.

also capsandi makes good posts that i enjoy, it's like having a paragraph from an unreleased cormac mccarthy novel dropped into the thread.

[Super Aggro Crag]

what does that even do

It's like blocking someone on Discord, it collapses their message so you don't have to see it unless you want to.

Doesn't work if theyre a colored name tho so you cant block the worst posters (admins and maintainers)

[Kendrickorium]

i already defined what the Ekat Defence™ is and seeing it play out every time is beautiful.

it gets so exhausting being right all the time about everything...

the sad thing is that when ekat actually presents a fair and moderate stance on something i find myself agreeing at least in part with it most of the time, and when i don't i can at least see where they're coming from. seeing this high school debate club contrarian nonsense is sincerely disappointing every time because they've demonstrated that they can exist outside of the larp and their contributions to discussion are infinitely better when they do.

everyone else may have written you off ekat, but i will always hold onto that small sliver of hope that you'll stop giving into this bafflingly specious and eristic sophistry every time an admin makes a decision.

also capsandi makes good posts that i enjoy, it's like having a paragraph from an unreleased cormac mccarthy novel dropped into the thread.

i KIND of feel like their actual good takes on something might just be a result of flinging enough of shit at the wall

[The Wrench]

Incoherent ramblings

“ Here's a coherent translation of the quote you provided: "Once, I witnessed a burning orphanage and immediately rushed to help. Vekter was already present, holding a fire extinguisher. Amidst the chaos, a burning child ran out, screaming in pain. I urged Vekter to assist the child, but they seemed unaware of whom I was referring to. Instead, Vekter began calling me names associated with schizophrenia, all the while the child continued to run around, their bones crackling like logs on a fire as their fatty tissues ignited. Vekter casually remarked, 'Updating my list of enemies; kids can be quite bothersome during summer.' However, they mentioned that Rule 9 bans are discouraged these days."

Please note that I've tried to maintain the essence of the original text while making it more coherent. If you need any further clarification or assistance, feel free to let me know.”

—Wrench GPT

[Timberpoes]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

I've done this before.

viewtopic.php?p=617870#p617870

I will not be asking for a vouch. I will take the ~30 shifts you have evaded on our server without accruing any notes as proof of your claims that you have improved. This is an exception. I spoke with Rave before penning up this response to make sure I wasn't overstepping my boundaries. This exception is thanks for your full and honest handling of the ticket earlier this evening when I caught you evading. If you had lied, you would have been banned anyway and I would have been denying this appeal with far fewer words.

[Vekter]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

I've done this before.

viewtopic.php?p=617870#p617870

I will not be asking for a vouch. I will take the ~30 shifts you have evaded on our server without accruing any notes as proof of your claims that you have improved. This is an exception. I spoke with Rave before penning up this response to make sure I wasn't overstepping my boundaries. This exception is thanks for your full and honest handling of the ticket earlier this evening when I caught you evading. If you had lied, you would have been banned anyway and I would have been denying this appeal with far fewer words.

Worth noting that Humankind has continued to be a valuable member of the community. They fuck around sometimes but mostly keep their nose clean.

[TheLoLSwat]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

good idea but should be kept close to headmins, so ban evading doesnt look like a “desirable” thing to do (to stop “its ok i can just evade for the next month and then ill have enough rounds for an appeal” from happening)

[The Wrench]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

good idea but should be kept close to headmins, so ban evading doesnt look like a “desirable” thing to do (to stop “its ok i can just evade for the next month and then ill have enough rounds for an appeal” from happening)

Oh yeah without a doubt, if I were the god of TGstation I would assign it as rule 0+++ If you have to rely on the secret rule in your unbanning process you better be lucky and hope the stars align perfectly for you.

[Kendrickorium]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

good idea but should be kept close to headmins, so ban evading doesnt look like a “desirable” thing to do (to stop “its ok i can just evade for the next month and then ill have enough rounds for an appeal” from happening)

Oh yeah without a doubt, if I were the god of TGstation I would assign it as rule 0+++ If you have to rely on the secret rule in your unbanning process you better be lucky and hope the stars align perfectly for you.

the secret rule has nothing to do with evading permabans

[conrad]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

good idea but should be kept close to headmins, so ban evading doesnt look like a “desirable” thing to do (to stop “its ok i can just evade for the next month and then ill have enough rounds for an appeal” from happening)

Do bear in mind that in Timber's example, he wasn't headmin at the time.

The great secret that isn't a secret at all is that if they're evading and being a model player, we all won. If they fuck up, that's where the thin ice cracks and you need a very gullible admin to eat their excuses.

[Timberpoes]

Hot take, if someone is able to ban evade and avoid being detected, while being a model citizen here, they should be able to use their playtime on the alt as a way to vouch for their main account.

good idea but should be kept close to headmins, so ban evading doesnt look like a “desirable” thing to do (to stop “its ok i can just evade for the next month and then ill have enough rounds for an appeal” from happening)

Do bear in mind that in Timber's example, he wasn't headmin at the time.

The great secret that isn't a secret at all is that if they're evading and being a model player, we all won. If they fuck up, that's where the thin ice cracks and you need a very gullible admin to eat their excuses.

I got the sign off from then-headmin Rave first. I followed procedure 2 years ago.

[dirk_mcblade]

Looks like he just tried to ban evade again. I don't know fellas, I think his talk about playing on fulp might have been just a giant cope?

[conrad]

Looks like he just tried to ban evade again. I don't know fellas, I think his talk about playing on fulp might have been just a giant cope?

He's addicted to the attention he's getting. Threads like these don't do much to help it.

[dendydoom]

please get professional help

[Jonathan Gupta]

I wasted a year of my life trying to get back into tg, and then I got let back in due to pity. Look at me now I'm SOOooo sane

[Archie700]

actually you know what this is stupid