GPeckman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:02 am
I'm not saying that "AI please force them out" is a death threat, and if you got that from my post then you should probably read it again. I'm saying that the lines
after that were a death threat:
[2023-12-09 08:06:20.371] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "and if you don't leave" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:06:22.108] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "yes I will" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
"If you don't leave, then I'm going to order the AI to kill you" is a very credible IC threat, and it seems perfectly reasonable to me to respond to threats of lethal force with lethal force.
this is not the full context of the exchange:
[2023-12-09 08:04:37.066] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "can both of you wait outside?" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:04:46.753] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "I'll PDA you when I get armor" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:01.348] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3471) "Nuh, every other time ive done that, people jsut forget about what I needed" (Research and Development (139,95,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:05.665] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "Look" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:12.531] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "I am asking you nicely to leave my workspace" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:18.503] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "so please leave" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:24.687] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3471) "And? Cap gave me access, I can be here if I want" (Research and Development (139,95,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:35.504] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "AI if lizards doesn't leave my workspace, please force them out" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:05:36.618] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "thanks" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:06:00.837] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "also after I get t4 I'm not gonna forget" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:06:02.120] GAME-EMOTE: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) laughs. (Research and Development (139,96,2))
there is no threat here. you just said this yourself. i'll assume we're in agreement.
the implication of a threat is applied to the scientist when the assistant says this:
[2023-12-09 08:06:07.292] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3471) "Are you trying to get the AI to kill me" (Research and Development (139,95,2))
there's nothing in the conversation leading up to now, as you and me have just both agreed, that can be construed as a death threat. so why did the assistant bring it up? it puts the thought into the scientist's head, and because they want this person to leave their workplace and stop fucking up their research, they still deny it but accept that if they continue to refuse to leave it could come to violence now that the assistant has proffered it as an opportunity:
[2023-12-09 08:06:17.158] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "if I was, I would tell it to kill you" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:06:20.371] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "and if you don't leave" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
[2023-12-09 08:06:22.108] GAME-SAY: Vect0r/(Cecilia Vujic) (mob_3438) "yes I will" (Research and Development (139,96,2))
using this as validation to crit someone after you've put the thought in their head is incredibly shonky to me. feels like baiting them into accepting it as a consideration to then use it against them immediately after. imitates assured me that this was not the case, but even themselves agreed how it could be seen that way. i don't hold it against them, i believe them when they say they didn't mean it like that, but if they can accept that it's very easy for it to be seen that way then why can't you?
this is the last time i feel like repeating myself, so if this one doesn't bring you round, maybe it's better we just leave it at that and do something better with our time.