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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=35811no u don't get it my event is that u do what i say and i kill you
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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=35811Oh. Ah. What!Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:44 amNot the one I was thinking of: viewtopic.php?p=672539Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:37 pm viewtopic.php?p=687164#p687164
Different scenario, was an appeal with poor ticket conduct.
Yeah I feel like an inspector is scarcely even an event to begin with. I don't think it's entirely fair to defend this with the events shield, and the argument "No one else complained" is kinda moot given no one else would have reason to be upset.Constellado wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:28 pmI don't think bmons wizard rolls was spawned in by another admin though.Blacklist897 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:53 pmbmon and his wizard rolls.......Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:43 pm We can't even take random rolls we were tangentially involved in the spawning of. If you go in asay and say like "man, this is boring, we should spice this up" and another admin then slams spawn blob - you'd almost certainly get a slap and a warning from a headmin if you signed up for and got that blob roll even though it was spawned by another admin.
I wasn't in this round but I will say it looked like some people involved did have fun, but I assume it was the people that did not get merked by the ERT. Which... Yeah, friendships aside... it does look bad not gonna lie. TG is, as what timber says, a place for player first, and discourages admins acting in this way. It can be fun for some players having the occasional admin fun but I think it should be more curated story type events or really funny silly things that doesn't look like admin statics throwing their power.
I will be sad if Drag gets deadminned, but I don't think it's unfair, per se. The server culture is different to the other ones Drag has adminned in.
Manuel needs more events that are not just send official or inspector down.
You can have your admin fun by changing the sprite of an object and giving it anomalous or funny effects like what they do in Sybil. I miss seeing funny things like that.
Mind you I think I missed a recent round where SpongeBob showed up.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
it's modern headadmin teams are too much of cowards to just point at it an dclose all event complaints no matter what.PapaMichael wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:17 am Offtopic, but the "no admin complaints for events" rule should just be stricken at this point, since it's blatantly clear that
This is completely offbase and rubbish.oranges wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:34 amit's modern headadmin teams are too much of cowards to just point at it an dclose all event complaints no matter what.PapaMichael wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:17 am Offtopic, but the "no admin complaints for events" rule should just be stricken at this point, since it's blatantly clear that
a recipe for ensuring the admin team is full of the most no fun bastards ever, which is already happening.
People complaining about admins who run events are the same ones who complain when the no fun police squad ban them for their "epic RP" they did, but they dont realise they are creating the very environment that will kill them.
How would a council of 4 handle deadlocks?
they do a deathmatch irl and the first one to die gets disregardedchocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:16 amHow would a council of 4 handle deadlocks?
Do they ignore Dendy or does Dendy's vote break the deadlock?
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
I once did an event where I pressed the same button 20 times and it was praised as a unique and interesting event and I’ve felt dead inside ever since. How am I supposed to put effort into an event if it won’t be as successful as spawning 100 of the same annoying mob and then shitposting over CC announcements about itdatorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:30 am We need more admin events like this:
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thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
Curse of the artist. Sometimes, the greatest events have commentary kept within one's own heart; only when their fellows speak out about it, would they, as well. So, too, here, it could be a situation where it was praised because others praised it, or perhaps just because it had a higher coverage than smaller, but better events.NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:51 amI once did an event where I pressed the same button 20 times and it was praised as a unique and interesting event and I’ve felt dead inside ever since. How am I supposed to put effort into an event if it won’t be as successful as spawning 100 of the same annoying mob and then shitposting over CC announcements about itdatorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:30 am We need more admin events like this:
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Should this be actionable? Should sec be forced to be fair to metafrens and give them actual sentences? I try to be, at least.
Timberpoes' ability to be impartial and critical of fellow admins made him a great headmin. Maybe he and Kieth will get to team up again, along with dendy, after this election season.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:18 pm It's all conversation you were reading alongside me. Non-zero amount of trash talking on complaint maker from misc admins, non-zero amount for deflection of responsibility from misc admins. That sort of stuff. It has a number of matching vibes, just in a different location than asay this time.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
the masculine urge to shovestun, humiliate, and grief the admin's quirky and epic and cool centcom staticEmpressMaia wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:42 pm Admin events on manuel have been trashy for a while . It's really rare I see a event that's not an admins CC static shit talking over announcements
It is. It's harder to prove off a single incident, and there's often a colorable area of doubt where people might make up or think they had good reasons to treat their friends differently.Rule 2 Precedents wrote: 2. Similar to how characters are allowed to know everything about in-game mechanics or antagonists under rule 2, characters are allowed to have persistent knowledge/relationships/friendships with the caveat that knowledge of a character being an antagonist from a previous round is not used maliciously.
3. Character friendships should not be exploitative in nature or be used to gain an unfair advantage. Having an IC friendship with another player does not, for example, justify giving them all-access each round.
TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:36 pm People on Manuel can’t just beat up cc officers? I make it a tradition to kidnap and hold them for ransom after declaring them to be syndicate infiltrators
holy shit this was me and ...... roger bradburton i think? playing the doom 2 inspectors!!!! we took it back to centcom to install it on spook's work computer and she shot me.Blacklist897 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:20 pmTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:36 pm People on Manuel can’t just beat up cc officers? I make it a tradition to kidnap and hold them for ransom after declaring them to be syndicate infiltrators
on my second round playing captain I had centcom disk inspectors show up and after a firefight it turned out they were real disk inspectors who had discovered our nuke disk was just a copy of doom 2, so after getting bullied for going to centcom I resolved that this would never happen again.
so when "disk inspectors" showed up the next time a few months later I handed it over no questions asked. that time it was real nukies. (they forgot to bolt down the nuke and some random dude pushed it into space)
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
i can attest to this because i had macrobomb implant even my interns and of course you blew up your own station in the processTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:36 pm People on Manuel can’t just beat up cc officers? I make it a tradition to kidnap and hold them for ransom after declaring them to be syndicate infiltrators
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
I agree. Pretty good outcome all things considered.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:57 pm Seems like a pretty good outcome. Would have been a shame to see dragmeme go over this, theyre good stuff.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
it turns out i was online for this but had no idea an event was even being run until i saw the complaint and looked at the logsTimberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:31 am I hope any admins that observed Drag's event also think carefully if they didn't report it to the headmins too, since this could have been picked up by internal processes as well.
as the leader of the no fun allowed squad you would of course say that.Archie700 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:39 amThis is completely offbase and rubbish.oranges wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:34 amit's modern headadmin teams are too much of cowards to just point at it an dclose all event complaints no matter what.PapaMichael wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:17 am Offtopic, but the "no admin complaints for events" rule should just be stricken at this point, since it's blatantly clear that
a recipe for ensuring the admin team is full of the most no fun bastards ever, which is already happening.
People complaining about admins who run events are the same ones who complain when the no fun police squad ban them for their "epic RP" they did, but they dont realise they are creating the very environment that will kill them.
I know people love admin events but they should not be an excuse to directly interfere with the round as an adminned player, nor should it be seen as an obligation by admins.
I do events sometimes, but those are more of the "power up a single player and crew gets warning" or "give them a task and see what they do, then react accordingly". Neither of those involve me literally going down into the round and interacting with players directly. If fact, if I do want to interact directly, I would want another admin managing my own event because that way that other admin can act based on what happened and what he thinks is fair.
At the point you're using admin powers or admin-spawned equipment in reaction to something that happened to your player character in the round, it potentially crosses the threshold into admin cheating. Potentially because it depends on the context and how you go about it.
i found a pic of itdendydoom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:39 pmholy shit this was me and ...... roger bradburton i think? playing the doom 2 inspectors!!!! we took it back to centcom to install it on spook's work computer and she shot me.Blacklist897 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:20 pm
on my second round playing captain I had centcom disk inspectors show up and after a firefight it turned out they were real disk inspectors who had discovered our nuke disk was just a copy of doom 2, so after getting bullied for going to centcom I resolved that this would never happen again.
so when "disk inspectors" showed up the next time a few months later I handed it over no questions asked. that time it was real nukies. (they forgot to bolt down the nuke and some random dude pushed it into space)
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
When were you ousted Mr "Let's remove buckshot from the game" Esq.?
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
theres no real standard for thisDATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:07 pm Is it like, an expected thing for a deathsquad to be called if you wrong a CC commander?
5 interns with no guns would've been funnierkinnebian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:09 pmtheres no real standard for thisDATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:07 pm Is it like, an expected thing for a deathsquad to be called if you wrong a CC commander?
but honestly deathsquads are overkill because theyre deathsquads
a low alert ert or something would probably be more reasonable
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Give them brass knuckles and black suitsconrad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:38 pm5 interns with no guns would've been funnierkinnebian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:09 pmtheres no real standard for thisDATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:07 pm Is it like, an expected thing for a deathsquad to be called if you wrong a CC commander?
but honestly deathsquads are overkill because theyre deathsquads
a low alert ert or something would probably be more reasonable
Sending ERTs against powerful antags who murderbone should be encouraged among admins. The antag gets an actual challenge (if you wanted a fight, you got one; if you wanted to kill helpless people, RIP bozo), ghosts get back in the round, and the round moves forward.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:51 pm I disliked sending them against antags unless the antag was being super lame to the point where I basically wanted to right click delete them
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
It's the solution MSO advocates for whenever admins used to start moaning about antags murderboning and it not being against the rules but being super lame.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 pmSending ERTs against powerful antags who murderbone should be encouraged among admins. The antag gets an actual challenge (if you wanted a fight, you got one; if you wanted to kill helpless people, RIP bozo), ghosts get back in the round, and the round moves forward.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:51 pm I disliked sending them against antags unless the antag was being super lame to the point where I basically wanted to right click delete them
not while i yet liveConstellado wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:43 am DendyCraft™ needs a software update. It appears DendyCraft™ does not have capital letter capabilities as of right now.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
So you're saying I should spawn colossal blood crawling spiders to kill lowpop murderboners. I knew I was right.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:00 pm It's the solution MSO advocates for whenever admins used to start moaning about antags murderboning and it not being against the rules but being super lame.
Give them a nigh-impossible challenge to overcome AND make killed players happy at having the power fantasy reversed by playing big ERTs and Deathsquads instead of little Bambi crew members? Where do I sign?!
the nuke that round was not fakeDrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:18 am I do really really enjoy the whole ERT/Dsquad dynamic, but you’ve got a whole lot of good points there on why it’s the “sometimes” treat over an “all the time” buffet.
Another thing to consider in the vein of limited information, as far as I’ve seen, is secluded or cut off players who may be almost or entirely unaware of threats at all. These are the players who type “Bored call?” When a desworder has mowed down command. These are the players who will stare at the face of God after having pushed boxes all shift, more confused than horrified. More than anything, these are the players that get fucked over “FNR” when a dsquad comes. Or an ERT with a variable objective, since I’ve seen that too.
The dynamic is much more interesting when you telegraph the full announcements, and multiple, so all can see. I’ll be mildly more original here and say this 100% should be the option visible to all crew, rather than the classified report sent to comms consoles.
Also, while we’re at it— recently, as nonantag during a shift where shit went wild and off the rails, the crew was mutinying after CC faked a nuke countdown with a bunch of interns. We had no idea at the time that it was fake, and so started a whole lot of scrambling to find and collaborate with a traitor to hack the shuttle, prepping pods and otherwise to get away.
I held up Engineering and fixed three or four separate instances of subtle sabotage, and caught the eye of an admin, who PM’d me asking if it was cool to put a Syndicate death warrant on my head. I was super fucking stoked to fight after dealing with subterfuge, so of course I said yes— and, to make a short point of a lot of words, I think that’s probably not so bad an idea to take further with some antags, barring those who get really immersed.
Asking OOC consent to face godawful odds removes a feeling of being robbed, while allowing one to take on a greater challenge for their own satisfaction. Not so bad a thing to make more common, I think.
cringe towerpost but the massive scale manny events I have seen are: The Path, Rust station and meat station 1 and 2, the bluespace story arc , the time travel thing chesh did and the best one of all: giving the clown full debug items and watching them go insane with godlike power as the crew and admin statics all attempted to claim the artifacts for themselves.Donglesplonge wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:09 am
P.S. i know i never even stated a manuel event in specific to reflect this, and thats because i genuinely can't remember any, if you've got examples for or against any of these points i would love to hear them because i just genuinely can't remember any huge overarching all over the place events on manuel, maybe my old-man-shaking--his-fist-at-the-sky type memory patterns got to me.
also this is not jabs at admins in particular i know all the work you put into events and i hope you all have fun doin' what you're doin', and i love you all except striders because he calls me mean names all the time and won't be friends with me i tried to give him some orange juice and he threw the fuckin whole bottle on the floor like who does that cmon man
P.S.P.S. i forgot this was a peanut uhhhhh i think it was handled appropriately (rude words backhandedly stated that do not reflect the words i just said) i love you all goodnight
its ok i have no idea what towerposting is and i refuse to believe its a thing because someone on this forum will tell me its a real thing and that i've "talked about it somewhere before" (gangster communist police state drivel)Blacklist897 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:15 amcringe towerpost but the massive scale manny events I have seen are: The Path, Rust station and meat station 1 and 2, the bluespace story arc , the time travel thing chesh did and the best one of all: giving the clown full debug items and watching them go insane with godlike power as the crew and admin statics all attempted to claim the artifacts for themselves.Donglesplonge wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:09 am
P.S. i know i never even stated a manuel event in specific to reflect this, and thats because i genuinely can't remember any, if you've got examples for or against any of these points i would love to hear them because i just genuinely can't remember any huge overarching all over the place events on manuel, maybe my old-man-shaking--his-fist-at-the-sky type memory patterns got to me.
also this is not jabs at admins in particular i know all the work you put into events and i hope you all have fun doin' what you're doin', and i love you all except striders because he calls me mean names all the time and won't be friends with me i tried to give him some orange juice and he threw the fuckin whole bottle on the floor like who does that cmon man
P.S.P.S. i forgot this was a peanut uhhhhh i think it was handled appropriately (rude words backhandedly stated that do not reflect the words i just said) i love you all goodnight
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