Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
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Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
So there still seems to be a lot of confusion over security borgs. People too often make the mistake, either playing as them or giving them orders, that they follow space law or a rank system on their default lawset.
Simply put they are not ACTUALLY security cyborgs and follow no obligation other than their current lawset.
So I propose two ideas (or both).
1. Reskin the borgs, a simple colour change (NT Blue or something) or new sprite to look like something other than a killing machine. Plus a renaming of the module to something like Enforcement Cyborg, or something that would reflect that they are there to enforce their current lawset/help defend the AI.
2. Allow borgs to be easily uploaded with an individual lawset, so for example, a new borg that chooses sec borg can be given the robocop lawset. Obviously I understand the AI upload can do this, but why would an asimov AI allow you to change one of its borgs to a potentially harmful lawset? It's just going to not let you in the upload etc.
So what do people think?
Simply put they are not ACTUALLY security cyborgs and follow no obligation other than their current lawset.
So I propose two ideas (or both).
1. Reskin the borgs, a simple colour change (NT Blue or something) or new sprite to look like something other than a killing machine. Plus a renaming of the module to something like Enforcement Cyborg, or something that would reflect that they are there to enforce their current lawset/help defend the AI.
2. Allow borgs to be easily uploaded with an individual lawset, so for example, a new borg that chooses sec borg can be given the robocop lawset. Obviously I understand the AI upload can do this, but why would an asimov AI allow you to change one of its borgs to a potentially harmful lawset? It's just going to not let you in the upload etc.
So what do people think?
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
You can directly use an upload module on an unslaved cyborg already.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
this is the worst
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I know, thats why I said "Obviously I understand the AI upload can do this, but why would an asimov AI allow you to change one of its borgs to a potentially harmful lawset? It's just going to not let you in the upload etc"MisterPerson wrote:You can directly use an upload module on an unslaved cyborg already.
But still what about slaved borgs, which MOST of them will be.
Please give constructive feedback.allura wrote:this is the worst
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
Rename them to valid hunt borg.
make them green because they prevent greentext.
Seriously though I suppose this *might* help, changing the designation and sprite and all that.
make them green because they prevent greentext.
Seriously though I suppose this *might* help, changing the designation and sprite and all that.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
Remie fix your mouse plz
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
Big red popup text that they have to click 3 separate checkboxes and then press okay before it lets them playing saying
YOU DO NOT FOLLOW SPACE LAW, ONLY YOUR OWN SILICON LAWS
There, fixed.
YOU DO NOT FOLLOW SPACE LAW, ONLY YOUR OWN SILICON LAWS
There, fixed.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
Disconnect the borg first using its wires, then update the laws. You can also use a multitool on the body to start it unslaved.peoplearestrange wrote:I know, thats why I said "Obviously I understand the AI upload can do this, but why would an asimov AI allow you to change one of its borgs to a potentially harmful lawset? It's just going to not let you in the upload etc"MisterPerson wrote:You can directly use an upload module on an unslaved cyborg already.
But still what about slaved borgs, which MOST of them will be.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
The second you tried to hack the borg to unslave it from the AI it would probably arrest you because muh potential harm.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
"borg I have a supercap for you"
"Beep boop thanks!"
PDA the RD to get him to lock it, remove battery before it can yawp to the AI.
Cut AIsync and lawsync.
Slap module on it
Restore battery, remind it the AI's laws are the same as before, get the RD to unlock it, then PDA the AI so it doesn't go :s SECBORG UNSYCED ROBO EMAGGED IT
"Beep boop thanks!"
PDA the RD to get him to lock it, remove battery before it can yawp to the AI.
Cut AIsync and lawsync.
Slap module on it
Restore battery, remind it the AI's laws are the same as before, get the RD to unlock it, then PDA the AI so it doesn't go :s SECBORG UNSYCED ROBO EMAGGED IT
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
Wait, I think you misunderstood Mister Person.peoplearestrange wrote:I know, thats why I said "Obviously I understand the AI upload can do this, but why would an asimov AI allow you to change one of its borgs to a potentially harmful lawset? It's just going to not let you in the upload etc"MisterPerson wrote:You can directly use an upload module on an unslaved cyborg already.
But still what about slaved borgs, which MOST of them will be.
Please give constructive feedback.allura wrote:this is the worst
He doesn't mean you can use the boards of the cyborg console, he means you can use the boards directly onto any unslaved borg with it's cover open.
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
OOoh I did misunderstand! I didn't know that! Cheers!
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
I like the idea of a rebrand and a new paint job, that sounds fair enough and could well help with the typical secborg attitude.
I don't like this idea so much, unless they're already unslaved (in which case it's already not too hard). Security borgs are a really important tool for the AI, especially a rogue AI, and then especially in a case where an AI is unintentionally rogue (i.e. it's not traitor or malf, and so it doesn't have unique powers). Making AIs that are 'being good' less able to use this tool (which is pretty much the only cyborg that can actually shift people around, since flashes were nerfed) seems a bit unfair. I get that sometimes security cyborgs follow Space Law too zealously, but taking them away from the AI is punishing the AI for something it didn't do.Allow borgs to be easily uploaded with an individual lawset
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
Why the hell would you want an AI with a different lawset than the borgs that supposedly listen to it?
That's even worse than the situations people cry about because they can't murder a dude in front of an asimov borg.
That's even worse than the situations people cry about because they can't murder a dude in front of an asimov borg.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
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This is all that was ever needed.
This is all that was ever needed.
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Re: Enforcement Borg Module (Rebranding secborg)
I am all for this, as long as it is purely a reskin. No nerfs involved. This is should purely be a behavior based change. I have had problems with some of my Secborgs going Robocop on me before, but short lockdown usually fixes the more disobedient ones. This has my support, as long as no actual code is changed, only the name and sprite set.
While you are at it, give the new borgs a movement spriteset as well! Those look AMAZING on borgs.
While you are at it, give the new borgs a movement spriteset as well! Those look AMAZING on borgs.
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