Make pets targets for traitors

[Falamazeer]

Why not? Let's make head offices another point of contention in the ongoing battle against the syndicate.
I propose that assasinating Ian, Lamar, Poly and other pets on station should be added to the list of possible objectives
Why would the syndicate want to assasinate animals? to lower morale of course!

DO EET!

[Bawhoppennn]

good memories of the steal corgi meat objective o7777

[Reece]

Poor Lamar...

[Screemonster]

Dunk petkillers under the "acting like an antag" clause, hell yeah.

[Drynwyn]

Dunk petkillers under the "acting like an antag" clause, hell yeah.

People who kill your pet are already opening themselves to vigorous retribution.

[Davidchan]

What are you, expecting heads to watch after their pets and not keep them locked in their lockers?

Also I feel sorry for anyone with the kill araneus objective. As if HoS didn't have enough op shit and preferential treatment.

[PKPenguin321]

This was removed iirc because
1. People would kill Ian, sax from the HoP, and get killed by him. Then they would ahelp it and get the HoP banned. Alternatively they would wait for HoP to attack then kill him in retaliation
2. Because of this shitty, banbaity behavior, admins made it a policy that you're no longer allowed to respond to people killing your pets with murder/excessive violence
3. With this policy in place, people no longer cared about Ian nearly as much
4. Consequentially, the "steal corgi meat" objective became much easier (and then even easier due to strange objects, being able to butcher with any sharp object, corgis in cargo)
5. The objective became so easy and lame (people wouldn't even care if you had corgi meat in your bag) that it was removed

Tl;dr make killing Ian a lynchable offense again

[InsaneHyena]

I murder people who kill Ian all the time, then gib the bodies and eat greyshirtburgers.

[Lumbermancer]

No you don't.

[TheNightingale]

This is actually a pretty good idea. It means non-antags can't kill pets, antags have more chances to kill pets, and heads of staff guard their pets more. And the CE stops killing Poly at roundstart.

[Wyzack]

I always let people dunk on pet killers, and they rarely complain. It is less about the pet itself and more about people trying to be a cunt and ruin something people care about to try and stir shit. I see no reason to give these people special admin protection

[MrEousTranger]

-snip

On the topic of this please read a snip from one of my stories
And note whats in bold

> HoPs been fucking mauled by some greytiding shit stains
> Somehow in the middle of it all
> Ian le puppy is still alive
> grab Ian le puppy and make a station announcement
Captain Announcement
Hi this is your captain, if any of you assistants FUCKING TOUCH IAN YOU WILL BE EXECUTED

> not pmed by so I assume its ok
> Tell HoS I'm moving ian to his escape pod
> Exit captains room with ian
> walk towards sec
> I notice we have a tail (no pun intended)
> fucking faggot assistant runs up behind and snags Ian
> *TRIGGERED*
> chase asshitstant
> hunt down assistant
> find her at escape
> Valid her into near crit
> she opens airlock
> flings Ian out before I can grab him
> Taze
> Hatchet her head off
> go back to office
> Pray to adminbus
> time passes I admire the assistants head now sitting on my table
> still sad
> have to call shuttle for some shit or another
> visit escape to mourn the loss of our greatest friend
you hear a voice in you head...
"your welcome"
> A drone named " Drone the Savior" comes flying in from space dragging...
> Ian the Survivor
> I grab Ian and tell the drone to follow me
> we go to Security escape cuz fuck public transportation
> HoS and I pet Ian happily
> Then I give the drone a medal of honor for saving our beloved dog

Moral of the story, people should expect to be dunked if they kill pets

[TheColdTurtle]

I remember that, it was some good shit

[Okand37]

One problem is that not all stations have the same pets. Such as dream replacing the spider with pugly for instance. While not hard nor a big deal to standardize oets, I do like seeing developer variety in pets on the different stations, as it can help add 'freshness' to a small portion of the station's atmosphere.

[WarbossLincoln]

We should do this, and go back to killing pets making you valid. Non-antags would still be allowed to kill pets, but it instantly makes you valid to the owner and you get banned if you ahelp it(banbaiting).

[Atlanta-Ned]

I kill Ian whenever I play HoP. Too much drama to leave him alive.

[DemonFiren]

You disgust me.

[TheColdTurtle]

Wait so if you are hop and kill ian, then kill yourself, would it be banbaiting if you ahelp "The hop killed me for killing ian"?

[DemonFiren]

Yes, and on top of that you'd catch a ban extension for head suicide.

[Davidchan]

If a head of staff kills their pet (with the exception of CE, fuck poly replace with GOOSE) they should be expecting a permanent headban. If they ahelp after suiciding then they are basically asking for a 'don't be a dick' ban.

I am 100% okay with antags targeting pets. And 110% okay with any action taken on or against a head pet to be considered an action take on or against the head(s) in terms of escalation and retaliation. If you think it's a good idea to randomly shove Ian in a washing machine then it's a great idea for the HoP to shove you in one too.

[Falamazeer]

If you think it's a good idea to randomly shove Ian in a washing machine then it's a great idea for the HoP to shove you in one too.

Agreed.

And I'm an ian washer, If I get bored, I'ma wash that corgi, and I'ma take it like a man when I'm murdered for it.

[Drynwyn]

One problem is that not all stations have the same pets. Such as dream replacing the spider with pugly for instance. While not hard nor a big deal to standardize oets, I do like seeing developer variety in pets on the different stations, as it can help add 'freshness' to a small portion of the station's atmosphere.

It should be possible to generate pet assassination targets from all head pets without needing to standardize them.

[Screemonster]

One problem is that not all stations have the same pets. Such as dream replacing the spider with pugly for instance. While not hard nor a big deal to standardize oets, I do like seeing developer variety in pets on the different stations, as it can help add 'freshness' to a small portion of the station's atmosphere.

It should be possible to generate pet assassination targets from all head pets without needing to standardize them.

if it can generate normal assassination targets from whatever players are present, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be able to fetch them from whatever pets are present.
For ezmode, just give simplemobs an is_pet var, or if you want to be really clever, check for whether they've got a unique name compared to other mobs of their type.

[Drynwyn]

One problem is that not all stations have the same pets. Such as dream replacing the spider with pugly for instance. While not hard nor a big deal to standardize oets, I do like seeing developer variety in pets on the different stations, as it can help add 'freshness' to a small portion of the station's atmosphere.

It should be possible to generate pet assassination targets from all head pets without needing to standardize them.

if it can generate normal assassination targets from whatever players are present, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be able to fetch them from whatever pets are present.
For ezmode, just give simplemobs an is_pet var, or if you want to be really clever, check for whether they've got a unique name compared to other mobs of their type.

The second one would make Cayenne, the wizard's pet, and the like into a target sometimes, ya doof.

Also Lamarr would be weird with this, since he's actually an item, not a mob. Facehuggers are bizarre.

[Screemonster]

One problem is that not all stations have the same pets. Such as dream replacing the spider with pugly for instance. While not hard nor a big deal to standardize oets, I do like seeing developer variety in pets on the different stations, as it can help add 'freshness' to a small portion of the station's atmosphere.

It should be possible to generate pet assassination targets from all head pets without needing to standardize them.

if it can generate normal assassination targets from whatever players are present, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be able to fetch them from whatever pets are present.
For ezmode, just give simplemobs an is_pet var, or if you want to be really clever, check for whether they've got a unique name compared to other mobs of their type.

The second one would make Cayenne, the wizard's pet, and the like into a target sometimes, ya doof.

Also Lamarr would be weird with this, since he's actually an item, not a mob. Facehuggers are bizarre.

Huh. The easiest way to get around that problem would be to have it only check mobs on Z1, but then you'd end up with people sending Ian to telecomms to make sure he didn't become a traitor target later in the round and shit like that. So an is_pet var is probably the easiest way.
No idea how to handle Lamarr though.

[TheNightingale]

You should be able to evacuate the pets at the end of the round. Maybe the objective could be something like "Ensure {pet 1} and {pet 2} do not escape alive on the emergency shuttle"? (Which means heads of staff would try their hardest to evac the pets too.)

[MrEousTranger]

To solve the Lamarr issue you could maybe have the traitor steal Lamarr instead of killing it.
Making Lamarr by far the hardest one to complete.