Wikipedia wrote:In simple terms, it is the use of out-of-game information or resources to affect one's in-game decisions.
which is the definition that I've been using.
>It's literally as simple as asking yourself if cutting the AI out of the singulo APC every round or hiding the armory is against the rules or not. We ban for that too, even if people have 'ic knowledge' and previous round knowledge.
If you look closely at my posts, you'll see that the overriding theme has been to stop the wrong usage of the term 'metagaming' and to get unwritten policies into writing. Not disputing whether something was against the rules or not.
Are then examples of where bans should have more accurately reflected what they were banning for. It was not metagaming, it was a violation of OOC protection given to certain antags doing certain things. The fact that people were mistaken in the past does not change how the term 'metagaming' can be used.
>Try to bullshit that this isn't the direct fucking definition of metagame all you want but there's no such thing as IC knowledge carrying over and that has never, ever been a thing that's okay when it comes to things like this and has ALWAYS been defined as metagame. (See: armory hiding, tech storage bolting, eva bolting, etc) The game's token paranoia is supposed to build over the round, not start at the beginning with everyone meta-fortifying atmos and armory and tech storage from antags, that's why we ban for hiding the armory/bolting tech storage. You keep saying these 'facts' that I'm quite literally telling you are not facts and these are things that have been decided a long time ago after bans were applied to people who did shit like this.
The examples you post are all examples of unwritten (with the exception of the armoury one) policy having evolved to deter strategies to counter antags early on through the use of OOC policy. My facts still remain facts as no official canon or lore exists which state people are mindwiped or information flow is restricted. For you to tell me it's not a fact, you would also need to find a post or wiki page of some kind that details canon and lore that everyone must abide to.
>Yeah, it's an unwritten policy, but it's there nonetheless, and I'm reminding you of its existence so you can stop implying that metagame with an 'ic knowledge' excuse is some kind of okay thing to do which it never has been, and anyone with any shred of experience in these servers would fucking know that. Hell, there's even admins saying that it's metagame, why the fuck are you even doubting this? Those facts you posted aren't facts and are literally just your lack of experience with bans that have been applied for this shit in the past.
I've pointed out that it is not metagaming, not that it isn't wrong. I've been pushing to have these policies, which I am aware of, put into writing so other people can be aware of them. Furthermore, admins calling it metagaming are wrong, as has been explained, and would do well to be more clear and understanding of the policies they enforce. Admins enforcing this policy would be enforcing policy on OOC protection for specific antags and specific actions, not policy on metagaming.
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