Bottom post of the previous page:
Either works (see: bayonetta)Nightmare
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
- InsaneHyena
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:13 pm
- Byond Username: InsaneHyena
- Github Username: InsaneHyena
- Location: Russia
Re: Nightmare
I agree with the notion that they should get a distinct colour scheme. Combinations of black and red are way too common - there's security, syndicate, cult and more.
- captain sawrge
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
- Byond Username: Sawrge
- Remie Richards
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:11 pm
- Byond Username: CrimsonVision
- Location: England, UK, Earth, Sol, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Known Universe
- Contact:
Re: Nightmare
they should be sick-green and piss-yellow.captain sawrge wrote:Make them bright green and yellow.
私は完璧
- InsaneHyena
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:13 pm
- Byond Username: InsaneHyena
- Github Username: InsaneHyena
- Location: Russia
- Armhulen
- Global Moderator
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
- Byond Username: Armhulenn
- Github Username: bazelart
- Location: The Grand Tournament
Re: Nightmare
Because the xhuis sprites don't look amazing and the black and red one is animated to pulse
Or we could just go with the runeless one and give it a nice eye color v
Or we could just go with the runeless one and give it a nice eye color v
- captain sawrge
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
- Byond Username: Sawrge
- Xhuis
- Github User
- Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
- Byond Username: Xhuis
- Github Username: Xhuis
- Location: North Carolina
Re: Nightmare
The old shadowling sprites (spooky eyes and a black body) seems like it'd fit best until a different look for them is decided on, as they're better-looking than the shadowperson sprites as well as more iconic for old-timers who were around for original slings
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay
wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity
ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.
CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.
wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay
IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.
wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL
- Oldman Robustin
- Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 2:18 pm
- Byond Username: ForcefulCJS
Re: Nightmare
Got a chance to trade for it today.
Thoughts:
1) Doors are a problem. I had to destroy every (ID required) airlock in my area because getting caught in the light disables your only escape tool so it was suicide to go into a new area without destroying a door to give you an escape route on foot. Your only other option is to hold an ID in your free hand but just like having to smash open a half dozen doors, it's clumsy and not ideal. This either requires an AOE anti-light spell (i.e. statues, or the old sling spells), or some alternative mobility option. Nightmare play encourages you to de-power rooms so it also makes sense that their armblade should pry open unpowered doors. I think one solution here might be to just let their armblade crack open any non-bolted door instantly - or making a click on the door let you phase through it even while lit. I think another reasonably fair idea would be to let the Nightmare have a large AOE that causes lights to flicker and after about 10 seconds all the "affected" lights will either blow out or temporarily shut off. It would also add to the spook factor since right now they don't really have a lot of flavor that is apparent to anyone else.
2) They're a tad TOO sensitive to light. Not from damage, but even the slightest hint of light will disable shadow walk. Going by a (fulltile) window to space in a pitch black room will disable shadow walk. The current night vision options compound this issue because you have to pick between "I can notice slight amounts of light but only because I can't see anything else because im blind" or "Ok I have night vision but its really hard to notice small amounts of light". This also means that stuff like being "immune to gunfire in shadows" is virtually useless since anyone holding a flashlight+PDA will trigger you being "in the light" from the same distance they can actually see you - so outside of people blindly spraying lasers down a maint hall, it's pretty useless.
3) Melee-only combat is pretty awkward. My first victim got away and yelled about me because they landed two pushes on me back to back while fleeing. Generally speaking trying to hit someone at full speed is very difficult, at the same time it would be an obvious death sentence if Nightmares got to slow/stun people. The least controversial buff would be that if its dark enough for me to dodge bullets, its probably dark enough for me to dodge the flailing of some half-dead doctor. It's hard to strike a balance here but at the end of the day I think the Nightmare should have more combat options besides "Naked man with esword". It really depends on whether you want the Nightmare to be able to take on the average security officer with a flashlight on their helmet. As it stands you can only target the weak and defenseless, anyone with a gun or stun weapon will easily kill you.
4) I didn't test it but my first instinct after playing was "I would really like to get my hand on a spray bottle with water inside". Should probably prevent that if you haven't already.
Those were my first impressions.
Thoughts:
1) Doors are a problem. I had to destroy every (ID required) airlock in my area because getting caught in the light disables your only escape tool so it was suicide to go into a new area without destroying a door to give you an escape route on foot. Your only other option is to hold an ID in your free hand but just like having to smash open a half dozen doors, it's clumsy and not ideal. This either requires an AOE anti-light spell (i.e. statues, or the old sling spells), or some alternative mobility option. Nightmare play encourages you to de-power rooms so it also makes sense that their armblade should pry open unpowered doors. I think one solution here might be to just let their armblade crack open any non-bolted door instantly - or making a click on the door let you phase through it even while lit. I think another reasonably fair idea would be to let the Nightmare have a large AOE that causes lights to flicker and after about 10 seconds all the "affected" lights will either blow out or temporarily shut off. It would also add to the spook factor since right now they don't really have a lot of flavor that is apparent to anyone else.
2) They're a tad TOO sensitive to light. Not from damage, but even the slightest hint of light will disable shadow walk. Going by a (fulltile) window to space in a pitch black room will disable shadow walk. The current night vision options compound this issue because you have to pick between "I can notice slight amounts of light but only because I can't see anything else because im blind" or "Ok I have night vision but its really hard to notice small amounts of light". This also means that stuff like being "immune to gunfire in shadows" is virtually useless since anyone holding a flashlight+PDA will trigger you being "in the light" from the same distance they can actually see you - so outside of people blindly spraying lasers down a maint hall, it's pretty useless.
3) Melee-only combat is pretty awkward. My first victim got away and yelled about me because they landed two pushes on me back to back while fleeing. Generally speaking trying to hit someone at full speed is very difficult, at the same time it would be an obvious death sentence if Nightmares got to slow/stun people. The least controversial buff would be that if its dark enough for me to dodge bullets, its probably dark enough for me to dodge the flailing of some half-dead doctor. It's hard to strike a balance here but at the end of the day I think the Nightmare should have more combat options besides "Naked man with esword". It really depends on whether you want the Nightmare to be able to take on the average security officer with a flashlight on their helmet. As it stands you can only target the weak and defenseless, anyone with a gun or stun weapon will easily kill you.
4) I didn't test it but my first instinct after playing was "I would really like to get my hand on a spray bottle with water inside". Should probably prevent that if you haven't already.
Those were my first impressions.
- Anonmare
- Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:59 pm
- Byond Username: Anonmare
Re: Nightmare
Armblades ought to have the innate ability to jimmy open any non-bolted airlock, unless Kor removed that from the Nightmare's?
Light ought to need to be a certain intensity. Back in the old light system, it was light intensity level 7 to proc being considered in the light
Light ought to need to be a certain intensity. Back in the old light system, it was light intensity level 7 to proc being considered in the light
- Armhulen
- Global Moderator
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
- Byond Username: Armhulenn
- Github Username: bazelart
- Location: The Grand Tournament
Re: Nightmare
1. If there are no lights you can just jaunt out. Why are you destroying doors?
2. Get good!
3. You can jaunt around him dodging attacks in the darkness
2. Get good!
3. You can jaunt around him dodging attacks in the darkness
- Oldman Robustin
- Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 2:18 pm
- Byond Username: ForcefulCJS
Re: Nightmare
I explained it dude, if you're being hunted (by people with lights obviously) then you can't escape through doors, you have to destroy doors so you have somewhere you can run and try to regain shadow-walking.
Jaunting in middle of a melee fight isn't an option, as soon as you get in range to hit them they can hit you, it's that simple.
Jaunting in middle of a melee fight isn't an option, as soon as you get in range to hit them they can hit you, it's that simple.
- ChangelingRain
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:36 pm
- Byond Username: ChangelingRain
- Github Username: ChangelingRain
- Location: The biggest lake
Re: Nightmare
They're not stun immune and they can hold items, which means they can abuse the combat system like humans do but one man with one taser is the end of you. This sucks.
They should be immune to stuns, but not able to hold items, so they're a more consistent threat instead of losing to the first man with a taser they encounter.
They should be immune to stuns, but not able to hold items, so they're a more consistent threat instead of losing to the first man with a taser they encounter.
Plays Joan Lung and various AIs and cyborgs with mythology and magical creature-themed names. Joan on IRC.
earth-clawing illuminati trans girl
earth-clawing illuminati trans girl
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
It isn't an actual armbladeAnonmare wrote:Armblades ought to have the innate ability to jimmy open any non-bolted airlock, unless Kor removed that from the Nightmare's?
Light ought to need to be a certain intensity. Back in the old light system, it was light intensity level 7 to proc being considered in the light
In regards to intensity I could make the projectile avoidance chance scale with how much light there is rather than only work in absolute darkness
I'll probably add some kind of melee resistance in the dark as well
If you're referring to the entire regular function of the combat system as abuse then the problem probably isn't with the specific antag we can't just keep giving everyone stun immunity (it'd also take away from the glass cannon aspect if you couldn't slow/stun them and they could always just run back until they found darkness)ChangelingRain wrote:They're not stun immune and they can hold items, which means they can abuse the combat system like humans do but one man with one taser is the end of you. This sucks.
They should be immune to stuns, but not able to hold items, so they're a more consistent threat instead of losing to the first man with a taser they encounter.
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
Most people in the game are done in one taser and this is supposed to be somewhere between traitor and ling in power level so I think its too early to just give them flat stun immunity, or else they're gonna be somewhere approaching wizard or slaughter demon
- Oldman Robustin
- Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 2:18 pm
- Byond Username: ForcefulCJS
Re: Nightmare
I think you ought to try it while testing.
The big difference between this and wizards/demons/whatever is their escape is 100% conditional on being in the dark.
An assistant with a bola, lights in each slot, and a welding tool (or just give him an improvised shotgun) can beat a nightmare by themselves - it's hardly comparable to something like a wizard or slaughter demon.
As a compromise you could make it so that stuns just deal a flat -30 stamina damage to the Nightmare.
Basically if the aggressive party has enough lights, the Nightmare can only flee on foot and if they try to engage the aggressor they run the risk of being injured (slowed) and wholly incapable of escaping. I don't think stun immunity is unreasonable in that situation, I kind of like it because it puts ordinary crew with makeshift weapons and lots of light on a more even footing with security.
The big difference between this and wizards/demons/whatever is their escape is 100% conditional on being in the dark.
An assistant with a bola, lights in each slot, and a welding tool (or just give him an improvised shotgun) can beat a nightmare by themselves - it's hardly comparable to something like a wizard or slaughter demon.
As a compromise you could make it so that stuns just deal a flat -30 stamina damage to the Nightmare.
Basically if the aggressive party has enough lights, the Nightmare can only flee on foot and if they try to engage the aggressor they run the risk of being injured (slowed) and wholly incapable of escaping. I don't think stun immunity is unreasonable in that situation, I kind of like it because it puts ordinary crew with makeshift weapons and lots of light on a more even footing with security.
- Armhulen
- Global Moderator
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
- Byond Username: Armhulenn
- Github Username: bazelart
- Location: The Grand Tournament
Re: Nightmare
Oldman Robustin wrote:I think you ought to try it while testing.
The big difference between this and wizards/demons/whatever is their escape is 100% conditional on being in the dark.
An assistant with a bola, lights in each slot, and a welding tool (or just give him an improvised shotgun) can beat a nightmare by themselves - it's hardly comparable to something like a wizard or slaughter demon.
Attacking them once would destroy all lights on them. Then, either kill them or jaunt out!
- HeatherK
- Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 pm
- Byond Username: Odhisius
Re: Nightmare
With a nonviolent objective I found it to be a really refreshing experience. The moment people resort to immediately attacking it it's going to be a whole different experience, but the fact that I could be chill and have the security be lax with me really changed how everything plays out.
My only request would be to maybe have say a very temporary buff for xray visison to get a quick snapshot of the area around you
Edit: Also I must admit I'm really not a fan of the name of them. Faithless as someone during my round said does sound kinda cool, or maybe Shadow Walker or something
My only request would be to maybe have say a very temporary buff for xray visison to get a quick snapshot of the area around you
Edit: Also I must admit I'm really not a fan of the name of them. Faithless as someone during my round said does sound kinda cool, or maybe Shadow Walker or something
-
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:19 am
- Byond Username: Gun Hog
Re: Nightmare
Give a two second warning period for when a Nightmare enters light, and prevent him moving farther into light, but allow him a brief window to backpedal into darkness. Nightmares do not have turf/object vision, so they will often wind up trapped inside a lit room. Also, I find myself popping up on walls a LOT. If you have a copy of the map open in DM, you can use this to be in position to smash a light as soon as you are forced out of Shadow Walk onto a wall.
Overall, I feel this antag is a little too weak when it comes to snuffing out lights. If you get trapped in a room that is lit by light behind a window, well, it is going to be rough escaping even if nobody finds you!
Overall, I feel this antag is a little too weak when it comes to snuffing out lights. If you get trapped in a room that is lit by light behind a window, well, it is going to be rough escaping even if nobody finds you!
- HeatherK
- Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 pm
- Byond Username: Odhisius
Re: Nightmare
I found the weakness was quite warranted, if how quickly I obliterated a changeling with my not-armblade is anything to go by.
-
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:19 am
- Byond Username: Gun Hog
Re: Nightmare
Well, I retract my earlier objections, then. I am not robust, so I do not know the full potential of the antag, although the not-blade is quite powerful (25 force, 35 armor pen) besides being a light-eater. In my hands, the role is at best an annoying mosquito, but to someone robust, it might be something much more. I guess we should keep it as is and see if it needs adjustment later.
- HeatherK
- Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 pm
- Byond Username: Odhisius
Re: Nightmare
I'm sure the role can be tweaked and balanced some more, because I'm sure if there's more than one opponent then the poor Nightmare will be overwhelmed. However with the free and useable hand, you could maybe grab an emp grenade and have that at the helm if you expect something bad to happen. It's got the potential to be as robust as a smash-and-dash wizard, but at the same time you can get fucked up so easily.
It very much feels like a fun antagonist to RP as. Even if more than anything it's because people don't know the meta to slam dunk Nightmares yet.
It very much feels like a fun antagonist to RP as. Even if more than anything it's because people don't know the meta to slam dunk Nightmares yet.
- Oldman Robustin
- Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 2:18 pm
- Byond Username: ForcefulCJS
Re: Nightmare
I'll reiterate that first and foremost there needs to be a way to deal with airlocks/doors, insta-prying seems to be a fair way to make travel reasonable without making them impossible to catch.
I wasn't aware that hitting someone destroyed ALL their lights, I thought it was a one-hit for one-light kind of deal, so I might try to be more aggressive in the future with slapping people when they chase me.
Also I forgot to mention in my first comment: Nightmares should have innate radio, at least common, use whatever logic you need to justify it but it's no fun being the station terror if you can't even hear them getting spooked. Perhaps you don't even need a microphone but playing in pure silence isn't that fun.
I wasn't aware that hitting someone destroyed ALL their lights, I thought it was a one-hit for one-light kind of deal, so I might try to be more aggressive in the future with slapping people when they chase me.
Also I forgot to mention in my first comment: Nightmares should have innate radio, at least common, use whatever logic you need to justify it but it's no fun being the station terror if you can't even hear them getting spooked. Perhaps you don't even need a microphone but playing in pure silence isn't that fun.
Last edited by Oldman Robustin on Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
I'll make sure to clarify that when the role gets actual spawn text. I was actually wondering why you weren't hitting the people pursuing you.Oldman Robustin wrote: I wasn't aware that hitting someone destroyed ALL their lights, I thought it was a one-hit for one-light kind of deal, so I might try to be more aggressive in the future with slapping people when they chase me.
- BeeSting12
- Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:11 am
- Byond Username: BeeSting12
- Github Username: BeeSting12
- Location: 'Murica
Re: Nightmare
Just got nightmare for a round, it was really fun- some of the best antagonist fun I've had in a while. Feel like they're pretty balanced in their current state. Thanks Kor!
- Armhulen
- Global Moderator
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
- Byond Username: Armhulenn
- Github Username: bazelart
- Location: The Grand Tournament
Re: Nightmare
THIS MAN KNOWS.BeeSting12 wrote:Just got nightmare for a round, it was really fun- some of the best antagonist fun I've had in a while. Feel like they're pretty balanced in their current state. Thanks Kor!
These things are so fast paced I LOVE THAT ADRENALINEEEEE
giving me shadowling as a gift is one thing
giving me shadowling that is better than the original shadowling is another
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
Re: Nightmare
It's almost like codebaby buffs to negate every situation you could encounter was a bad thing and all the game really needed is to let the people lose.
Voted best trap in /tg/ 2014-current
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
Implanting the heart makes you grow the arm blade?ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:This sounds like a great opportunity to add a Heart of Darkness item for reference sake although I'm not sure what it's functionality would be
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
Re: Nightmare
That seems a bit unintuitive that the heart controls who wears the blade although I think having the arm blade surgically removed and be given a new host sounds cool af.Kor wrote:Implanting the heart makes you grow the arm blade?ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:This sounds like a great opportunity to add a Heart of Darkness item for reference sake although I'm not sure what it's functionality would be
perhaps it allows you to cocoon yourself in darkness to slowly heal like cryo would at the cost of leaving you defenseless while it's happening and for a brief period after [just like cryo]. Light will, as you can imagine, end it prematurely.
Sorta like this [IN LOOKS, NOT IN FUNCTIONALITY HOTS PLAYERS!!!]
"but slings don't have this" - no because fluff wise they have all the "dark" organs working symbiotically to produce passive healing in the darkness.
Voted best trap in /tg/ 2014-current
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
Re: Nightmare
Oh and give a visual cue on their body that they have the heart in them like Dark Souls curse but BLACK because Fashion soulsStation 13 is a real thing!
Voted best trap in /tg/ 2014-current
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
It wouldn't be the most intuitive no but any organ that comes from a Nightmare would also be useable by the Nightmare and the cocoon ability would be useless to it, so weird for it to have
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
Re: Nightmare
clearly the answer is to give slings a faster healing in darkness with immobilization ability that does exactly this :^)
Voted best trap in /tg/ 2014-current
- Armhulen
- Global Moderator
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
- Byond Username: Armhulenn
- Github Username: bazelart
- Location: The Grand Tournament
Re: Nightmare
but that's the opposite of how it worksExcessiveCobblestone wrote:clearly the answer is to give slings a faster healing in darkness with immobilization ability that does exactly this :^)
it's a high speed constantly on the move evading darkness glass cannon, why would it have the ability to enter a stasis
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
Would having the shadow jaunt clear stuns be too much? It'd deal with the issue of people beating it down with disarms etc
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
Re: Nightmare
Plenty of assassins in mobas which share this style of high mobility play have the ability to get into a stasis to regroup, although some abilities are done more like how our immortality talisman functions.Armhulen wrote:but that's the opposite of how it worksExcessiveCobblestone wrote:clearly the answer is to give slings a faster healing in darkness with immobilization ability that does exactly this :^)
it's a high speed constantly on the move evading darkness glass cannon, why would it have the ability to enter a stasis
If they DON'T, they still have the "b" ability.
Voted best trap in /tg/ 2014-current
-
- Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:31 pm
- Byond Username: DrBee
Re: Nightmare
Zul'Jin in HotS is like this, strong damage potiental and self sustain but he is vulnerable while using it as it gets interrupted by damage. Giving nightmare a cocoon would be a nice throwback to shadowlings if I recall? I wasnt around for shadowlings sadly, only before they were implimented and faster they were removed.ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Plenty of assassins in mobas which share this style of high mobility play have the ability to get into a stasis to regroup, although some abilities are done more like how our immortality talisman functions.Armhulen wrote:but that's the opposite of how it worksExcessiveCobblestone wrote:clearly the answer is to give slings a faster healing in darkness with immobilization ability that does exactly this :^)
it's a high speed constantly on the move evading darkness glass cannon, why would it have the ability to enter a stasis
If they DON'T, they still have the "b" ability.
- HeatherK
- Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 pm
- Byond Username: Odhisius
Re: Nightmare
That might work, but it would need to -not- break restraints. If you got tazed and cuffed but you can escape? You're not getting out of those cuffs too. That way you have the Nightmare loose, but sec/the opponents have maybe 30-60 seconds to find it and catch it, before it gets the cuffs off and can resume.Kor wrote:Would having the shadow jaunt clear stuns be too much? It'd deal with the issue of people beating it down with disarms etc
After playing a round with a second Nightmare, I think maybe a changeling-like hivemind chatter would be very useful. However at the same time, forcing the nightmares to find radios makes it all the more fun. So if you want to communicate with your fellow nightmares, you -need- to blow your cover.
Edit: Another thing I noticed is that until provoked (or if they aren't wanting to hunt you regardless), many assistants and crewmen you encounter often try to help you and side with you. At least until security are after anyone sympathetic to them.
- BeeSting12
- Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:11 am
- Byond Username: BeeSting12
- Github Username: BeeSting12
- Location: 'Murica
Re: Nightmare
possibly unintended consequence of consoles emitting light but nightmares cannot instantly shut off console light/APC lights so they have to break it. maybe hitting it once could shut off the lights for a minute or something?
- HeatherK
- Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:13 pm
- Byond Username: Odhisius
Re: Nightmare
Honestly given how OP it already is I think that could work. You're strong enough to just smash everything anyway.
I was watching normie tv and realised this clip [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuZ8NCjSAc[/youtube] is Nightmares in a nutshell, replace the clown noises with LOUD ASS JAUNTING and the mace with a flashlight and tazer. Mace could probably work great on nightmares, actually. HIlariously so, even.
I was watching normie tv and realised this clip [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuZ8NCjSAc[/youtube] is Nightmares in a nutshell, replace the clown noises with LOUD ASS JAUNTING and the mace with a flashlight and tazer. Mace could probably work great on nightmares, actually. HIlariously so, even.
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
One thing I've noticed watching them that seems a bit unfun is that borgs just stomp them. Landing the first melee hit on the borg turns their light off for 10 seconds, but them landing the first hit on the Nightmare means the Nightmare is dead so the borg can just keep coming back over and over until they die (the borg also has absurd light range so fleeing is difficult)
Should the armblade fry the headlamp until they visit a recharging station? Until a roboticist puts a new flashlight in them? Leave it as is and the nightmare should just grab sunglasses/a flash?
Should the armblade fry the headlamp until they visit a recharging station? Until a roboticist puts a new flashlight in them? Leave it as is and the nightmare should just grab sunglasses/a flash?
- D&B
- Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:23 am
- Byond Username: Repukan
- Location: *teleports behind you*
Re: Nightmare
Flashes should damage it and teleport it a short distance ce away since its powers pull it away from the concentrated burst of light.
It should also turn off Borg headlamps and do burn damage on them rather than brute.
It should also turn off Borg headlamps and do burn damage on them rather than brute.
Spoiler:
- ShadowDimentio
- Joined: Thu May 08, 2014 3:15 am
- Byond Username: David273
Re: Nightmare
The nightmare shouldn't be required to find sunglasses from somewhere to not be hardcountered by borgs
Spoiler:
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
Why'd we give borgs stuns again anyway
- InsaneHyena
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:13 pm
- Byond Username: InsaneHyena
- Github Username: InsaneHyena
- Location: Russia
Re: Nightmare
It was more like of making flashes better against humans, in order to make them more popular, so more people will have a counter to borgs with them. It makes total sense when you think about it.
- Anonmare
- Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:59 pm
- Byond Username: Anonmare
Re: Nightmare
Because you took away the dedicated stun borgKor wrote:Why'd we give borgs stuns again anyway
- Cobby
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:19 pm
- Byond Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobby
- Github Username: ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone
Re: Nightmare
[youtube]x8FNVsbnwWE[/youtube]Kor wrote:Why'd we give borgs stuns again anyway
Being a harm monitor was not fun to play as.
Voted best trap in /tg/ 2014-current
- DemonFiren
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:15 pm
- Byond Username: DemonFiren
Re: Nightmare
hisscurity is literally made of theseExcessiveCobblestone wrote:[youtube]x8FNVsbnwWE[/youtube]
-
- TGMC Administrator
- Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 am
- Byond Username: Lumipharon
Re: Nightmare
Kor you bad man, lings can transform sting people into nightmares - I presume they themselves can also turn into nightmares.
I just had a NIGHTMARISH round where 50% of the crew were nightmares, and 100% of the crew were zombies. So we had a fuckload of zombimares.
I just had a NIGHTMARISH round where 50% of the crew were nightmares, and 100% of the crew were zombies. So we had a fuckload of zombimares.
- BeeSting12
- Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:11 am
- Byond Username: BeeSting12
- Github Username: BeeSting12
- Location: 'Murica
Re: Nightmare
Nightmares are actually a species, and you can change yourself with the magic mirror. Which means that a wizard can become a nightmare if he wants, although that would be dumb since then he can't use robed spells
-
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
- Byond Username: KorPhaeron
Re: Nightmare
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/30681lumipharon wrote:Kor you bad man, lings can transform sting people into nightmares - I presume they themselves can also turn into nightmares.
I just had a NIGHTMARISH round where 50% of the crew were nightmares, and 100% of the crew were zombies. So we had a fuckload of zombimares.
Sounds fun!!! as a one off thing though
- ShadowDimentio
- Joined: Thu May 08, 2014 3:15 am
- Byond Username: David273
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users