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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
"I don't like northstar" is a world of difference from "FUCK NORTHSTAR". One is an opinion and the other is abusive.
Where's my 15 foot pole? I know I have it around here somewhere...
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
I most certainly would because, despite the fact that I don't like boot and I think he's a net detriment to conversation on the forums, he still deserves the same respect as everyone else. If this had been a note about nuke teams directly naming themselves something to insult another player, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We're not. You can say that in OOC and, as long as you don't take it too far or become obnoxious with it, you're allowed to. The only thing this touches is specifically naming your nuke team something like this. I'd also apply the same logic if it was a wizard name, if anyone is curious.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
I'll forgive you since you've only played a total of 3 rounds but stuff like that does happen.Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:16 pmIf someone named their nukie team "FUCK BOOT AND FUCK SINFULL" they'd probably get noted for it too im pretty sure, there's no double standard hereBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:15 pmI don't want to create a space where saying "I don't like northstar" gets you nuked for not being constructive. We don't do this for anyone else and we've been doing fine.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:09 pmwhy should volunteer coders / mappers have to take weirdos attacking them instead of an admin telling them to knock it off for not giving anything constructiveBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:54 pm Sounds pretty easy then. Just ignore the rabble who have no power over you and keep on doing what you want to do. If you can't handle people not liking what you make in a way you view as "unconstructive" then I would suggest going to a space where only you get to decide who speaks. Personally I would think that would suck because I like what you do so I do ask you to grow up, not out of a sense of being mean or spiteful but because you are going to deal with people who are alot crazier then some random shitters saying "northstar sucks".
Like Adam said, "if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen". However, as Vect0r said, for every such player there are also players who like it, but the players who like it won't say anything while the players that hate it will. If you assume that every player who doesn't say something like that likes your project, it might put things in a new perspective for you.Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:02 am It is everywhere. I cannot go anywhere in the community because I'm told straight to my face that the project I care about is shit without any constructive feedback behind it. I literally do not want to play the game, admin, or contribute because it feels like feeding a pack of coyotes that'll just gnaw at my arm.
Spessmen hate change, and we especially hate not knowing where the hell everything is.
Oh no! Were we the pipeline all along?
"Normal people" need to grow a spine. This is a game for robust spessmen.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
Boot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:15 pmI don't want to create a space where saying "I don't like northstar" gets you nuked for not being constructive. We don't do this for anyone else and we've been doing fine.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:09 pmwhy should volunteer coders / mappers have to take weirdos attacking them instead of an admin telling them to knock it off for not giving anything constructiveBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:54 pm Sounds pretty easy then. Just ignore the rabble who have no power over you and keep on doing what you want to do. If you can't handle people not liking what you make in a way you view as "unconstructive" then I would suggest going to a space where only you get to decide who speaks. Personally I would think that would suck because I like what you do so I do ask you to grow up, not out of a sense of being mean or spiteful but because you are going to deal with people who are alot crazier then some random shitters saying "northstar sucks".
You should have campaigned on a platform of taking multi-Z maps off the rotation. You'd have won in a landslide lmao.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:37 pmi genuinely think multi-z is a mistake and that the game would be better off without it.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
I don't think that someone should be forced to give a reason for why they don't like something.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:49 pmBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:15 pmI don't want to create a space where saying "I don't like northstar" gets you nuked for not being constructive. We don't do this for anyone else and we've been doing fine.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:09 pmwhy should volunteer coders / mappers have to take weirdos attacking them instead of an admin telling them to knock it off for not giving anything constructiveBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:54 pm Sounds pretty easy then. Just ignore the rabble who have no power over you and keep on doing what you want to do. If you can't handle people not liking what you make in a way you view as "unconstructive" then I would suggest going to a space where only you get to decide who speaks. Personally I would think that would suck because I like what you do so I do ask you to grow up, not out of a sense of being mean or spiteful but because you are going to deal with people who are alot crazier then some random shitters saying "northstar sucks".
nobody is going to nuke you for saying you dont like northstar, but its ok to be told to shut up administratively when you cant say anything other than FUCK THIS MAP RAAAAAAAAGH without any type of constructive criticism alongside it. Being passionate is fine but there has to be atleast something that can be built off of, even as small as "this map fucking blows because ordnance lab is too small REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
you dont have to, you also dont have to say more than you dont like the map, but autistically screeching is just immature and is being a dick to the volunteer that made the map. It would be a different conversation if people were giving valid criticisms or even respectfully saying they dont like the map and then admin action happened.Boot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:57 pmI don't think that someone should be forced to give a reason for why they don't like something.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:49 pmBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:15 pmI don't want to create a space where saying "I don't like northstar" gets you nuked for not being constructive. We don't do this for anyone else and we've been doing fine.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:09 pmwhy should volunteer coders / mappers have to take weirdos attacking them instead of an admin telling them to knock it off for not giving anything constructiveBoot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:54 pm Sounds pretty easy then. Just ignore the rabble who have no power over you and keep on doing what you want to do. If you can't handle people not liking what you make in a way you view as "unconstructive" then I would suggest going to a space where only you get to decide who speaks. Personally I would think that would suck because I like what you do so I do ask you to grow up, not out of a sense of being mean or spiteful but because you are going to deal with people who are alot crazier then some random shitters saying "northstar sucks".
nobody is going to nuke you for saying you dont like northstar, but its ok to be told to shut up administratively when you cant say anything other than FUCK THIS MAP RAAAAAAAAGH without any type of constructive criticism alongside it. Being passionate is fine but there has to be atleast something that can be built off of, even as small as "this map fucking blows because ordnance lab is too small REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
You should be reporting people for that if you see it. I can't be on every server 24/7. Also my played time has nothing to do with how often I'm on doing admin stuff, whether or not I play the game as consistently as everyone else has no impact on how good or bad of an admin I am, regardless of what most of Terry's playerbase will tell you.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Also follow-up, I had nothing better to do so I went through the last month of rounds you played in and found the following nuke ops names:
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
The one im thinking of was something like "GAY JOHNSON KILLERS" or something to that effect.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:39 pmAlso follow-up, I had nothing better to do so I went through the last month of rounds you played in and found the following nuke ops names:
Lizard Remover
LizardRemover
The Beach Boys
Flukies
None of which break the rules nor are any variation on an insult against anyone in the game, so either it doesn't happen often enough for it to matter here or you're mistaken.
I'll try and find it. Ahelp shit like that in the future please.Boot wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:48 pmThe one im thinking of was something like "GAY JOHNSON KILLERS" or something to that effect.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:39 pmAlso follow-up, I had nothing better to do so I went through the last month of rounds you played in and found the following nuke ops names:
Lizard Remover
LizardRemover
The Beach Boys
Flukies
None of which break the rules nor are any variation on an insult against anyone in the game, so either it doesn't happen often enough for it to matter here or you're mistaken.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
I’m gonna interject here, ***No work is above criticism***Cobby wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:28 pm If you go out of your way to make it known that you dislike a feature to the point youre trying to insert it into the game world such as through a nuke ops name, knowing the creator of said feature also plays, you should be doing it in a benign way or articulate it in a way that doesnt come off as you just trashing work someone put in. You can also just not say anything. Other people here are not synonymous with your personal friend group, it can come off as very rude when you approach something that someone put time in without any room for improvement, especially when you use crude language such as "shit" or "fuck X". You cannot "banter" with other people you dont know and expect all of them to give you the same positive response.
I remember people would literally walk up to me to complain about the "new chemistry policies from centcomm" and similar and, while I got a kick out of it and am pretty lighthearted, I dont think that every person who puts time into developing the game should have to undergo that type of behavior when playing let alone observing.
And mind you we are talking about blasting your opinion ingame where people are just trying to relax and have fun, there is nothing wrong with just trash talking in your own private server or what have you (although reminder that the approach isnt going to help you change it to a good compromise). Heck you are free to wordlessly downvote the PRs like normal people if you dont want to be bothered into giving your "educated" take. Heck you can just say "i dont really care for this" and be done with it, you are not entitled to make a big stink in all the wrong places because you cba to do it at the right time or in the right avenue.
It should not be contentious position that haphazardly trashing on something someone put thought and effort on the public-facing outlet is met with a "cut it out" if you arent going to expand on it. I think not having to articulate your thought beyond WAAAAAA is a way more coddled position than suggesting open hostilities at least be done with an avenue for fair discussion (or just stop being openly hostile and/or realize the change didnt come from the ether and there is a person behind said change so be respectful).
Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
Would you consider the phrase "Northstar fucking sucks" to be valid criticism?Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:07 pm I don’t care if you put your life savings into a project, it gets no protection. This isn’t a personal pet project, every change made affects ***EVERYONE*** so in this case everyone has every right to say whatever they want about it.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
I would say so, People are allowed to have opinions even if they are wrong.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:10 pmWould you consider the phrase "Northstar fucking sucks" to be valid criticism?Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:07 pm I don’t care if you put your life savings into a project, it gets no protection. This isn’t a personal pet project, every change made affects ***EVERYONE*** so in this case everyone has every right to say whatever they want about it.
Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
I think it’s silly overall and blown way out of proportion.
Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
Pussydatorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:29 pm "I don't like northstar" is a world of difference from "FUCK NORTHSTAR". One is an opinion and the other is abusive.
That isn’t helpingtoemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:28 pmPussydatorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:29 pm "I don't like northstar" is a world of difference from "FUCK NORTHSTAR". One is an opinion and the other is abusive.
Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
Sorry
I think the issue here is semantic in nature. Criticism doesn't need a design document or a long, drawn out explanation. Something as simple as "I don't like Northstar, I think the hallway's too long" or "I don't like tram, the maints are too small" is criticism. "Fuck this" or "I don't like it" is an opinion, but it's not constructive. It's noise. It does nothing to actually resolve the issue, nor does it provide for interesting conversation. It's just bullshit for bullshit's sake.Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:14 pmI would say so, People are allowed to have opinions even if they are wrong.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:10 pmWould you consider the phrase "Northstar fucking sucks" to be valid criticism?Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:07 pm I don’t care if you put your life savings into a project, it gets no protection. This isn’t a personal pet project, every change made affects ***EVERYONE*** so in this case everyone has every right to say whatever they want about it.
A player shouldn’t have to write out a design document to say they find a new map unpalatable. Sometimes people just think things suck, learn to cope with it and keep doing your thing.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Reminder that this is what the common admin and c*der thinks about the players voicing any amount of dissent.AlamoTurtle wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:35 pm But that is more an issue with the mindless barbarians
Criticism is fine and yes itis a personal pet project for all involved, maybe not the entire scope of ss13 but certainly every PR was done as a way to make the game better (except that one guy who made a grief PR on purpose).Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:07 pm I’m gonna interject here, ***No work is above criticism***
I don’t care if you put your life savings into a project, it gets no protection. This isn’t a personal pet project, every change made affects ***EVERYONE*** so in this case everyone has every right to say whatever they want about it.
I’m glad that you were able to make it through the fires and flames of internet mean words directed at a project of yours Cobby. Nothing fundamentally bad happened because someone called cobbychem stupid, and it made the game better anyways.
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
If by 'voicing any amount of dissent' you mean 'screaming about hating something without saying why', sureBoot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:08 amReminder that this is what the common admin and c*der thinks about the players voicing any amount of dissent.AlamoTurtle wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:35 pm But that is more an issue with the mindless barbarians
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
The amount of contempt I've seen coders have for the player base is absurd. I think that hating all coders is cringy, but it doesn't help when some coders are so goddamn condescending regarding feedback. I swear the more dogshit and/or controversial a PR is, the more the coder behind it starts huffing their own farts and burying their head into the dirt. It's insane. The stereotype of coders not even playing the job/server they are affecting with their PR exists for a reason.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
"I will sacrifice contributors in TG before I believe people who participated in open source communities telling me that's how you kill open source"Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:00 pm I'll believe this "but but but we'll run out of coders!" Fear mongering when it happens. Once again this ain't the first time someone got what was described as "an unfair amount of toxic feedback" and I'm sure it won't be the last as we slowly march towards total hugbox. Once again I like Northstar and I think it would suck if Cheshify jumped ship but let's get real they knew what they were getting into.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Understanding that controversy can result in a great deal of bad faith arguing does not necessarily mean tolerating that. That in of itself is a particularly bad faith take, and I see no reason why telling folk who are taking it a bit far to cool their jets is a bad thing.Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:00 pm I'll believe this "but but but we'll run out of coders!" Fear mongering when it happens. Once again this ain't the first time someone got what was described as "an unfair amount of toxic feedback" and I'm sure it won't be the last as we slowly march towards total hugbox. Once again I like Northstar and I think it would suck if Cheshify jumped ship but let's get real they knew what they were getting into.
Distressingly, and I know I already talked to you at length about this on discord, we have cycles of resentment and vitriol within the community. I think this is just a natural defense mechanism for some people, and I don't think you should hold it against someone for being on the defensive if they're getting a lot of particularly intense negativity directed towards them. I've certainly seen my fair share of it, and I know why some people will opt to go that way rather than try and engage with players they may already assume probably don't have their best interests in mind.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:55 am The amount of contempt I've seen coders have for the player base is absurd. I think that hating all coders is cringy, but it doesn't help when some coders are so goddamn condescending regarding feedback.
Listen I know your new around here so allow me to sooth your worries. This is nothing new, this aint gonna kill the community, they'll be new people who'll contribute to the codebase even without treating them like children. How do I know this is the case? The first PR was made 11 years ago and it's been going strong without worrying about the "toxicity of the community."conrad wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:41 pm"I will sacrifice contributors in TG before I believe people who participated in open source communities telling me that's how you kill open source"Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:00 pm I'll believe this "but but but we'll run out of coders!" Fear mongering when it happens. Once again this ain't the first time someone got what was described as "an unfair amount of toxic feedback" and I'm sure it won't be the last as we slowly march towards total hugbox. Once again I like Northstar and I think it would suck if Cheshify jumped ship but let's get real they knew what they were getting into.
What a silly thing to say. Have you seen the starsector modding community?
Also, "not being a dick == total hugbox"
lmao
So here's the issue ok, I don't see saying "fuck northstar" as toxic and I espically don't want to see it "controlled" because that in this community is keyword for word filter. I explictly told Cheshify to not deal with the toxicity, to just ignore them. I also don't know what this "get no support" meme comes from, from the PR to the forum page you can see tons of support just because people on a server they don't even play on say something doesn't erase that.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:53 pm Understanding that controversy can result in a great deal of bad faith arguing does not necessarily mean tolerating that. That in of itself is a particularly bad faith take, and I see no reason why telling folk who are taking it a bit far to cool their jets is a bad thing.
You can't claim to want Chesh to stay and then condemn anyone who does not want to deal with toxicity and make active attempts to control it. If you really want to see them succeed, you should want to see the same, as no contributor should have to deal with trials by fire every time they create a large project and then get no support from the communtiy while doing so. To argue otherwise is just throwing your lot in with those throwing around pointless toxicity, but doing it like a coward. You more or less admit that by claiming they should have thought twice about going ahead with the project if they were surprised by how vitriolic people can get.
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
Metastation May. Let's make it happen.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
go offCapsandi wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:45 pm 2. Holier Than Thou, plebs!- The long-term health of any server is based primarily around the quality of the staff. Not only that, but the attitude of the staff members rubs off on the playerbase. I have found that many of the staff members are caustic, cynical, and patronizing to the point that any offense is frequently met with a "What the fuck are you doing you fucking retard here's a ban, don't even try explaining" or "Guilty until proven innocent" response. I've been banned before for decent reasons, however I can't count the number of times that I've skirted or actually been given a ban for completely garbage reasons. It seems as though some staff have this attitude where rather than taking care of something they care about, they have been FORCED into monitoring people who they just think of as troublemaking retards, rather than humans prone to mistakes. Not only that, but I don't really think that the admins acknowledge the fact that they can make mistakes themselves. I'd like to drop a few names of the worst offenders in my opinion. Owegno, Okand37, Saegrimr, Alphabetaa. Basically anyone who does the "*bwoink* Hey, got a minute" meme, for the most part (some exceptions). So cut the shit. You're no better than anyone else in this shitty game. You spend hours hunched in front of a monitor just like us, the only difference is you can make people not play a 2d spess game. You have to understand that you have a direct impact on the attitude and mood of the server. And the "WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, INCORRECT, FUCK YOU CRIMINAL SCUM" attitude is just awful- Sometimes, people make stupid choices and put someone into crit in the heat of the moment. Sometimes, people get angry after being harassed by the same person for a few rounds and strike back. People are prone to human emotion, and that yields mistakes. You have to understand this and respond appropriately- cutting everything off at the head is NOT the way to go. The permabans should really be reserved for the pure garbage: the 10-connection, 10-note 3-ban people who show up only to grief. The people who go straight from the arrival shuttle to welderbomb. The people who GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to shit everything up. I like to think I play the game well. Sure, I fuck up now and then and make mistakes. I certainly have made some larger mistakes. But it's not like I don't have good moments as well. I'm not a net loss to the server. The people who fuck up, show remorse, and actually do put in effort to being good most rounds are just as good as those with clean record. We're all human. (except for liggers, fuck liggers)
barsCapsandi wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:45 pm 2. Holier Than Thou, plebs!- The long-term health of any server is based primarily around the quality of the staff. Not only that, but the attitude of the staff members rubs off on the playerbase. I have found that many of the staff members are caustic, cynical, and patronizing to the point that any offense is frequently met with a "What the fuck are you doing you fucking retard here's a ban, don't even try explaining" or "Guilty until proven innocent" response. I've been banned before for decent reasons, however I can't count the number of times that I've skirted or actually been given a ban for completely garbage reasons. It seems as though some staff have this attitude where rather than taking care of something they care about, they have been FORCED into monitoring people who they just think of as troublemaking retards, rather than humans prone to mistakes. Not only that, but I don't really think that the admins acknowledge the fact that they can make mistakes themselves. I'd like to drop a few names of the worst offenders in my opinion. Owegno, Okand37, Saegrimr, Alphabetaa. Basically anyone who does the "*bwoink* Hey, got a minute" meme, for the most part (some exceptions). So cut the shit. You're no better than anyone else in this shitty game. You spend hours hunched in front of a monitor just like us, the only difference is you can make people not play a 2d spess game. You have to understand that you have a direct impact on the attitude and mood of the server. And the "WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, INCORRECT, FUCK YOU CRIMINAL SCUM" attitude is just awful- Sometimes, people make stupid choices and put someone into crit in the heat of the moment. Sometimes, people get angry after being harassed by the same person for a few rounds and strike back. People are prone to human emotion, and that yields mistakes. You have to understand this and respond appropriately- cutting everything off at the head is NOT the way to go. The permabans should really be reserved for the pure garbage: the 10-connection, 10-note 3-ban people who show up only to grief. The people who go straight from the arrival shuttle to welderbomb. The people who GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to shit everything up. I like to think I play the game well. Sure, I fuck up now and then and make mistakes. I certainly have made some larger mistakes. But it's not like I don't have good moments as well. I'm not a net loss to the server. The people who fuck up, show remorse, and actually do put in effort to being good most rounds are just as good as those with clean record. We're all human. (except for liggers, fuck liggers)
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Listen I know you're new here, so allow me to explain to you that the last 11 years are littered with the bodies of extremely talented developers who quit solely becuase they couldn't handle the rigmarole of having every fuck face like you saying their passion and work output is garbage you slimy little git.Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:10 pm Listen I know your new around here so allow me to sooth your worries. This is nothing new, this aint gonna kill the community, they'll be new people who'll contribute to the codebase even without treating them like children. How do I know this is the case? The first PR was made 11 years ago and it's been going strong without worrying about the "toxicity of the community."
Reminder that you don't belong here fruit. This place is for players fuck off back to the git and code me up something fun to play with.oranges wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:00 amListen I know you're new here, so allow me to explain to you that the last 11 years are littered with the bodies of extremely talented developers who quit solely becuase they couldn't handle the rigmarole of having every fuck face like you saying their passion and work output is garbage you slimy little git.Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:10 pm Listen I know your new around here so allow me to sooth your worries. This is nothing new, this aint gonna kill the community, they'll be new people who'll contribute to the codebase even without treating them like children. How do I know this is the case? The first PR was made 11 years ago and it's been going strong without worrying about the "toxicity of the community."
lolBoot wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:37 amReminder that you don't belong here fruit. This place is for players fuck off back to the git and code me up something fun to play with.oranges wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:00 amListen I know you're new here, so allow me to explain to you that the last 11 years are littered with the bodies of extremely talented developers who quit solely becuase they couldn't handle the rigmarole of having every fuck face like you saying their passion and work output is garbage you slimy little git.Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:10 pm Listen I know your new around here so allow me to sooth your worries. This is nothing new, this aint gonna kill the community, they'll be new people who'll contribute to the codebase even without treating them like children. How do I know this is the case? The first PR was made 11 years ago and it's been going strong without worrying about the "toxicity of the community."
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Theres only one hero we can call to hopefully scare Boot off… ApplicationManBoot wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:37 amoranges wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:00 amListen I know you're new here, so allow me to explain to you that the last 11 years are littered with the bodies of extremely talented developers who quit solely becuase they couldn't handle the rigmarole of having every fuck face like you saying their passion and work output is garbage you slimy little git.Boot wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:10 pm Listen I know your new around here so allow me to sooth your worries. This is nothing new, this aint gonna kill the community, they'll be new people who'll contribute to the codebase even without treating them like children. How do I know this is the case? The first PR was made 11 years ago and it's been going strong without worrying about the "toxicity of the community."
Reminder that you don't belong here fruit. This place is for players fuck off back to the git and code me up something fun to play with.
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